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Xecris Member

Joined: 26 Feb 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Whidbey Island, WA
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like the trans isn't locking up, would make a 200'ish rpm difference if it isn't. When I had another transmission put in my car, the lockup wasn't working. Easy test is to hit the highway, at light throttle, and tap the brake pedal just enough to light up the taillights. You should see the rpms jump up a couple hundred rpm.
My understanding with the 700r4, is that you aren't getting the cooling capacity if you aren't locking up, something like only 60% of your fluid gets through your cooling system if you aren't, and when it locks up, it will allow fluid to get from your torque converter through your cooling system. Could be hearsay, just what I got from the trans shop. Assuming it is a lockup converter, that is. _________________ 1991 Camaro RS - 454 BBC |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Xecris wrote: | | Could be hearsay, just what I got from the trans shop. |
From the LT1 swap thread:
| chevymad wrote: | | Without lockup 60% of the oil bypasses the trans cooler. Some screwed up thing gm did on their OD transmissions. Only when the convertor is locked does all the oil go through the cooler. So not only are you creating more heat because the convertor is unlocked, you have less of a chance to get rid of it. |
Your tranny shop is correct. |
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Xecris wrote: | | Sounds like the trans isn't locking up, would make a 200'ish rpm difference if it isn't. When I had another transmission put in my car, the lockup wasn't working. Easy test is to hit the highway, at light throttle, and tap the brake pedal just enough to light up the taillights. You should see the rpms jump up a couple hundred rpm. |
ok so i tested this today, and the rpm's did go up when i pressed the brake, does the mean my lock up is or isnt working? _________________
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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No, that's a good thing. You should also be able to feel it unlock when you give it part throttle when cruising in OD.
Basically you swapped out your stock 25" RS tires for 17" chrome IROC's, correct? Depending on your exact aspect ratio, you gained around one inch diameter. That will lower the RPM at cruise. |
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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i had 15x7 (215/65/15) and i put on 17x8 (245/45/17), but now that the weather is getting crappy i put the 15's back on
next time im on the freeway ill try the overdrive unlock thing _________________
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Your 215's are 25x8.5, your 245's are 26x9.6. That's your difference.
Now that you got that settled, start thinking about something to make it faster. I, for instance, have been thinking a lot lately about how GM 3800II engines use the same 60* Metric bellhousing as the 2.8/3.1 engines...  |
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Al Hasse Member

Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: |
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I think I'm missing something here. Changing tire size will make the speedometer incorrect as well. Speed and RPM will have the same relationship regardless of tire size, until the speedometer gear is changed. Same was true when I removed the 3.08 rear end I had and swapped in a 3.23. _________________ 92 Camaro
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rjmcgee The Hammer

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Somewhere around here is a pic of Dewey's stock tach on the dyno as his LO3 spins to 8,000+ rpm.
His tach is prolly not 100% accurate.
But this thread gets a big LOL from me!!  |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: |
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my tach says I idle at 3k rpms  |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| aaron_sK wrote: |
I, for instance, have been thinking a lot lately about how GM 3800II engines use the same 60* Metric bellhousing as the 2.8/3.1 engines...  |
Correct, but the intake points to the rear making it hard to put in a rwd application.
What you should look at more is how the northstar motor uses the same 2.8/3.1 bellhousing Ive seen one in a gen4 camaro. _________________ 2008 GMC Z71
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| 91RSVert wrote: | my tach says I idle at 3k rpms  |
mine used to do that too, but i wired in the correct resistance to fix it,
i didnt know the 3800 motor had the same belhousing pattern, thats sweet, i should find one and swap em. haha northstar swap would be kinda cool.
i also have a stage 1 chip in it, idk if that will affect rpm's or anything _________________
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3873 Location: stumptown
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| 91RSVert wrote: |
Correct, but the intake points to the rear making it hard to put in a rwd application.
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Unless you have a 98+ V6 F body.
aaron, I can tell you for a fact that while the bellhousing flange is a 60 degree V6 pattern, the transmisssion mounts totally different. Also, I don't think you could use a 60 degree V6's bellhousing on a Series II 3800, because the starter mounts on the opposite side of the 2.8/3.1/3.4's, but I'm not 100% sure on that. _________________
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Boostd1 12sec Club

Joined: 28 Oct 2008 Posts: 437 Location: Thornton, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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3800's starters are on Bank 1 of the engine _________________ 1998 Grand Prix GT | 12.91 @ 103 - Sold/Retired
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ive never seen anyone try it on a gen4. Just gen3 and s10's
I have seen an L67 in a 55 chevy. |
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fiveoformula Member

Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1799 Location: OR
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| 91RSVert wrote: |
I have seen an L67 in a 55 chevy. |
One of the regular customers that comes in to my work has a ferrari kit car built on a fiero chassis with an L67. Sounds just like a GTP, and he fools actual ferrari owners all the time at cars shows, he claims that they instantly stop talking to him and walk away when they find out its a replica. lol _________________
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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fiero l67 is quite commen.
A friend here deals in the kit replicas. He wont touch one with an aftermarket motor. I tried to talk him into one with a northstar. |
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3873 Location: stumptown
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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for what its worth, my starter's on the driver side. _________________
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quasi-Traction wrote: | | for what its worth, my starter's on the driver side. |
Same as a GTP... its on the "front". |
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Boostd1 12sec Club

Joined: 28 Oct 2008 Posts: 437 Location: Thornton, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveoformula wrote: | | 91RSVert wrote: |
I have seen an L67 in a 55 chevy. |
One of the regular customers that comes in to my work has a ferrari kit car built on a fiero chassis with an L67. Sounds just like a GTP, and he fools actual ferrari owners all the time at cars shows, he claims that they instantly stop talking to him and walk away when they find out its a replica. lol |
Haha I'd love to see that thing! _________________ 1998 Grand Prix GT | 12.91 @ 103 - Sold/Retired
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quasi-Traction wrote: | | Also, I don't think you could use a 60 degree V6's bellhousing on a Series II 3800, because the starter mounts on the opposite side of the 2.8/3.1/3.4's, but I'm not 100% sure on that. |
You are correct that on the L36 and L67 engines, the starter is on the drivers side (front if thinking in terms of wrong-wheel-drive).
HOWEVER, I want you all to take a long hard look at this picture of a bellhousing from some 2.8/3.1 third-gen. Take a good long look at it.
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