| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: Lowering a Berlinetta- trials and tribulations... |
|
|
Yesterday Aaron and I strarted on what should have been a simple afternoon of cutting coils and lowering my Berli from its sky-high stance to something much lower. A tweak to the broken shifter and a look at the sticking choke were on the schedule as well. Of course the shifter was not as simple as it should have been requiring us to virtually break two shifters in the attempt to fix the one. Then we pull the front springs and cut a coil off only to find that the super long non-performance springs absolutely will not go back into the spring pockets. Spring compressor was a no-go as well. Luckily I had given James a set of Eibachs and he had only installed the rears (I'm gonna hook you up with my Jamex springs when I dig them out of storage). So a trip to Tacoma then back to Graham and we were finally ready to go. Nope, the springs still wouldn't seat! After much cursing and hammering we decided to ditch the spring isolators to gain an extra 1/4" of clearance. Bingo! The springs dropped right in! It was already 9:00pm by now and the rear springs were gonna have to wait. We quickly determined that the non-removable Quadrajet choke was crapped out and called it a night. Just another day at the Mountain Man's cave!
Before:
After:
Still needs to come down about 1" in the front but Aaron says it will settle a bit over time. The "redneck rake" is not the look I am going for so the rears need about a 3" drop as well!  _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
'85 Camaro Berlinetta - IROC clone
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Is it normal for nobody to be parked next to you? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| QwkTrip wrote: | | Is it normal for nobody to be parked next to you? |
They all fear the Berli!!! Actually, I parked way back in the Target parking lot so I could take this pic.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
turbo_jimi Member

Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 1206 Location: Tacoma
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
just put some taller tires in the back and you have that 70s stance (which i always kinda liked) I also like the non-spoiler look, but I know that's going to change. _________________
1985 Z28 Crate 350, Hurst T-5, 3.23s, Flowmaster Under previous set-up: 143.82 rwhp 216.98 lbs. torque @4390 rpms 3/12/11 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Alphius Peanut

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It's looking good John. The front is almost there, but you're right the back needs to come down...
I never had any trouble putting my Z28 springs in and out, even when they were barely cut. Those suckers must be hella long! _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Iroc springs were a PITA before cutting. 3/4 coil on the front of mine, goes in alot easier without disconnecting the a-arm from the frame. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Aaron has a pic of the cut stocker next to the Eibach. It is hella long!  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| RSFreak wrote: | Aaron has a pic of the cut stocker next to the Eibach. It is hella long!  |
I bet your Eibachs are progressive springs though. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
chevymad Master B
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 5476
1987 Pontiac Formula
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I once had to replace a set of stock springs in a v/6 car.. Not fun! The springs were waaay too long and the v/6 wasnt heavy enough to compress them. Used several spring compressors and a chain binder before I managed to get them mashed back in. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Twilightoptics wrote: | | Iroc springs were a PITA before cutting. 3/4 coil on the front of mine, goes in alot easier without disconnecting the a-arm from the frame. |
We were trying to avoid removing the a-arms. That was gonna be our next option.  _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
'85 Camaro Berlinetta - IROC clone
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| chevymad wrote: | | I once had to replace a set of stock springs in a v/6 car.. Not fun! The springs were waaay too long and the v/6 wasnt heavy enough to compress them. Used several spring compressors and a chain binder before I managed to get them mashed back in. |
I hear ya, B. I figured we would have had to cut 1 1/2 to 2 full coils off from stock to get them back in without pulling the a-arms.
This seems to keep happening.
Rust never sleeps. Seems to be missing something as well.
Bear in mind that we had already cut 3/4's of a coil off of the stockers before lining them up for a picture. Also note that both springs have the same number of coils.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Means the eibach will be near the same spring rate, just a lower ride height. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Twilightoptics wrote: | | Means the eibach will be near the same spring rate, just a lower ride height. |
If they were apples-to-apples then yes. But the Eibach weighs about twice what the stocker does, and is a significantly thicker coil. I can tell you from experience they are a much harder ride.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
aHH. Didn't look that much thicker than the stockers when you take away the fresh powder coat. Those are definitely not the progressive ones though. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Alphius Peanut

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
A couple years back I went -.75 coils on my stock Z28 springs and it made the front drop acceptably. I went another -.5 coils when I installed my Z06 brakes, but I haven't had the car back off the stands since then. I think I was too aggressive and it'll be too low at -1.25 coils. My springs actually now have room to move up and down when I insert them into the pocket, it takes exactly 0 compression to put them in.
I wanna be low, but this might be crazy, I might pull an Ian and be riding on my bumpstops.  _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
|
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Get out the sawzall and cut them like I did. I had been thinking about going lower but decided against it because I already scrape everyday in the school parking garage. Good thing! I need to go stiffer though.
John, the berl is looking better. Maybe you should think about tires for those zo6 wheels now.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
blue89 Member

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 3482 Location: Bellingham/Eugene
1986 Chevrolet Camaro RS
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
1990 Chevrolet Camaro RS
|
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Just customize them, you can trim them, and make them more tapered to act more progressively. Then, you don't have to have an all-or-nothing affair, you can have them work if you hit a BIG bump, but not be an issue during normal use. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
|
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| iansane wrote: | John, the berl is looking better. Maybe you should think about tires for those zo6 wheels now.  |
Thanks! If I do get tires for the Z06s, they are going on the T/A! The Berli is gonna be my daily driver.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
fiveoformula Member

Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1799 Location: OR
1988 Pontiac Formula
|
Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Pretty cool when you get a new car and already have a bunch of parts to slap on it! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|