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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| iansane wrote: | | I do right now. |
Haha... I can see where this is going.
At least you LSx/LQx guys can flip them. Some engineers apparently didn't think that was too important. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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if you were going SBC you could clip them as well. Buuut....  _________________
| Quote: | | Sometimes I actually think I'm slightly retarded in the mouth. |
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Alphius Peanut

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| aaron_sK wrote: | | iansane wrote: | | I do right now. |
Haha... I can see where this is going.
At least you LSx/LQx guys can flip them. Some engineers apparently didn't think that was too important. |
What engineer, when designing an affordable, reliable family car engine, thinks about someone flipping the manifolds to run turbos? That's crazy talk!  _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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I flipped a header to the other side of the engine. The turbo hit the block. So I spun the turbo around 180 degrees on the mounting pad. I think it's too low to go around the fender wells.
Looking at my Camaro I wouldn't be able to have air conditioning and I'd have to lose the stock water pump. Not sure if an electric water pump would clear either.
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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
1990 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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What about switching headers, so it high mounts the turbo? Where they are sitting, It would likely be TIGHT with the fender, it might not drain very well unless you built a sump, but the downpipe would be easy!
What accessories are you going to be running? |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I tried it up high first. It was far above the intake manifold. There is no way it would clear the hood. |
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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| QwkTrip wrote: | | I tried it up high first. It was far above the intake manifold. There is no way it would clear the hood. |
You might be suprised, the LSx sits really low compared to a small block. It should be easy to measure the height form the oil-pan to the top of the turbo, then measure from the k-member on the car. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Here is some info from the build invoice. Heads are ported and polished 317. I assumed 71 cc head chamber not knowing what else to use. I'm coming up with 9.2 compression ratio. Anybody think I made a mistake?
Eagle 4340 LS1 3.900 Crankshaft
Scat 4340 LS1 H-Beam 6.100 (0 offset)
Wiseco CA-21181-9827 LS1 27cc Pistons 4.020 Bore for .047,.047,3mm GF Rings 1.185 Comp. Height
Wiseco GF .047 Piston Rings
Misc. Parts 6.0 turbo heads ported by Greg Good
GM 6.0 MLS Head Gaskets #12589227 |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, so I got a bit of an education by a guy on LS1tech.com
8.4:1 compression ratio with the following assumptions.
4.020 bore
3.9 stroke
6.100 rod
1.185 compression height
-27cc piston dish
71cc comb. chaimber
.048 gasket thickness (im pretty sure thats how thick they are)
head gasket bore 4.100
9.240 deck height
This motor is waaaaaay too low compression to ever think about running naturally aspirated. I either keep it a boost motor or sell it. I'm thinking about selling if I can trade the short block to somebody with a nice 408/427 short block. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| What the heck.... that just can't be right. 27 cc dish???? I found the same piston p/n sold by TSP and they call it a 8 cc dish. |
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blue89 Member

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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Put it in the bird. What is the hold up? |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| QwkTrip wrote: | | What the heck.... that just can't be right. 27 cc dish???? I found the same piston p/n sold by TSP and they call it a 8 cc dish. |
google showed the only reference on the interweb to the wiesco part number you listed is a post by you. That post said your invoice had K394F3 as the part number. That shows in Wiseco's catelog as a -8cc dish. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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I know. Google is fast, isn't it?  |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I found the original owner at LS1tech.com. I've been able to piece together a story now from my paperwork and his postings at the forum.
Engine was built Jan 2005. The owner was sent to Japan Jan 2006 and sold the car immediately after returning to the States in Sept 2009. The car was in military storage those years and run occasionally. In the year it was driven he put 5000 miles on the engine, mostly with a Vortech supercharger. He put the turbo kit on late 2005. He was able to drive it for a few weeks before going overseas but never got it sorted out.
The turbo system is a CAS kit that has been highly modified. Now I know what I've got. That helps.
The 12 bolt must be pretty spankin' new because he had a stock rear as far as I can tell. |
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