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		| TurdGen1989 Member
 
 
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		| QwkTrip 11sec Club
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:00 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Man, that's an ugly year. |  | 
	
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		| 85 T/A WS6 Member
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Nascar Pace and Safety car, Y85 option. Not really known as a Recaro edition, lol at seller. 1 of 2000. 
 Not sure what PMD was thinking on color combos here.
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		| TurdGen1989 Member
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:35 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | QwkTrip wrote: |  	  | Man, that's an ugly year. | 
 
 
 Yes, yes it is.. especially for 22k! I'd rather buy a nice 4th gen and spend the extra 12k on something good lol idk
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		| QwkTrip 11sec Club
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Or even a Z06 Corvette. |  | 
	
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		| TurdGen1989 Member
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| True lol _________________
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		| RSFreak The other "John"
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| My buddy had two of those 301 turbo T/As. The power was not impressive.  _________________
 '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
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		| TurdGen1989 Member
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | RSFreak wrote: |  	  | My buddy had two of those 301 turbo T/As. The power was not impressive.  | 
 
 Yea I knew a guy who had one and it was just a lot of noise but not a lot of go lol
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		| RSFreak The other "John"
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| My buddy loved those cars though. I could never figure out why. He finally wised up and bought an IROC.  _________________
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		| chevymad Master B
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:35 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| While weak for a turbo engine, the 301 was still more powerful then an L69. It was supposed to be the engine in hte early TA thus the same hood, but was killed at the last minute. |  | 
	
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		| RSFreak The other "John"
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:14 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| 210 hp @ 4000 rpms and 345 ft lbs @ 2000 rpms for the turbo motor. 140 -155 hp @ 4400 rpms and 240 ft lbs @ 2200 rpms for the n/a motor, about the same as an LG4.  _________________
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		| chevymad Master B
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| L69 was 190hp. The lg4 started out as 150hp and increased to 170hp. I see my original statement can be read that the 301 could have been na in the 3d gen. I was only talking about the turbo version. 
 
 I also see that the 80-81 HO version of the 301 was rated at 170hp na.
 
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		| Schultzy89GTA M.R.A. (11sec Club)
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I would be curious to know if that 210hp/345ft-lbs was anywhere close to reality. Raced one of those with my '88 LB9. not. even. close. Blew him away. 
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		| RSFreak The other "John"
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | chevymad wrote: |  	  | I also see that the 80-81 HO version of the 301 was rated at 170hp na. | 
 
 In what vehicle?
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		| chevymad Master B
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| TransAm and formula. Was the base engine for the TA. 
 From 1977-1981 there were 4 distinct 301 versions:
 
 301 2BBL (135 hp), 301 4BBL (150 hp), 301 4BBL 'HO' or 'EC' (170 hp), and the 301 Turbo (210 hp).
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		| chevymad Master B
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:20 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| What could be better.. 2 iron dukes hooked together and then turbo'd!  |  | 
	
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| 2 Iron dukes with proper compression. _________________
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		| chevymad Master B
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:50 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| LOL.. joking anyway. Pontiac made some bad decisions with the 301.. lightening the crank to the point of breakage and bad balance.. and for performance.. making the heads with shared intake ports.  |  | 
	
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		| RSFreak The other "John"
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | chevymad wrote: |  	  | TransAm and formula. Was the base engine for the TA. 
 From 1977-1981 there were 4 distinct 301 versions:
 
 301 2BBL (135 hp), 301 4BBL (150 hp), 301 4BBL 'HO' or 'EC' (170 hp), and the 301 Turbo (210 hp).
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 L27 = 135 hp, L37 = 140 - 150hp, W72 = 155hp, LU8 = 200 - 210hp
 
 I can't find a reference to a 170hp HO version.
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