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townaj
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: New parts and new problems!! Reply with quote

Hey guys I haven't been on in a while but now I'm back! With some shiny new parts and shiny new problems to go with them. Just in case y'all don't remember I have a 383 backed by a nwc t5. I now have a rebuilt 750 double Pumper Holley and a new air gap-type intake. It runs even better now, but I'm having charging issues. My old alternator stopped charging so I replaced it with multiple rebuilt units thinking it went bad after 25 years. Wrong. After going through 2 alternators I figure its something with the car. But I don't know what. All the connections are good and its hooked up right, but it still refuses to charge. Any ideas? I need to get this thing back on the road asap! Thanks guys...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excite wire not switching properly from ignition.

Crap battery.

Sense wire reading to much voltage.

Number one is the most likely culprit.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Battery is good. Had it tested etc. How would I test for the excite wire and fix it? Would it be at the ignition switch?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check for 12V at the small tan/white/brown wire (whatever is not the big one) while the ignition switch is on.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one that comes through the firewall? Its got hardly anything...so its disconnected from something?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC that should be connected to either a resistor or a light bulb in the dash. That's where it gets the excitation from.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Hasse wrote:
IIRC that should be connected to either a resistor or a light bulb in the dash. That's where it gets the excitation from.


Bingo. You can also run a diode in place of the resistor or 'Gen' light; basically you need something to keep the alt from back-feeding the coil.

The problem is that on a lot of these cars the wires going into the smaller plug on the alt get kinked and lose connection. If the alt never excites, it basically thinks the car is off all the time.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My excite wire was hooked to the 20a fan fuse. Someone stole that fuse when I was at a bar one night. That took awhile to find. Mad
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If only your car had a roof, to prevent such nonsense. Razz

Actually, I think that was stock from Chebbie. IIRC the fan fuse is actually just a bunch of low-draw crap that gets triggered when the ignition switch is on (the fan relay and alternator excite wire, for instance Wink)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
If only your car had a roof, to prevent such nonsense. Razz

Actually, I think that was stock from Chebbie. IIRC the fan fuse is actually just a bunch of low-draw crap that gets triggered when the ignition switch is on (the fan relay and alternator excite wire, for instance Wink)


Very Happy Yeah, it was factory. I was pouring over the wiring diagrams after checking the battery/alt and then realizing I was getting nothing on the excite wire.

Now that's my biggest push at work. Someone says their alt isn't working but tests fine, "Dude, you sure it's getting excited?" And they get all confused. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha well it turns out the excite wire was smashed between the steering column mounting ears and that metal plate it sits against. It was nice and flat when I got it outta there. Fixed the wire and now it charges. At least I got a new alternator lol. Y'all are awesome thanks for the help. I'm almost ready to paint it. Just gotta buy the clear coat.
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