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BigBoi4Lyph

I remember talking to somone(sorry horrible with names) at the dyno this year on a good wideband o2 setup. If I recall it was on summit and it was like 189.99 for the setup?

Well I cannot find that one for the life of me.

Any advise on which one to get would be apriciated tho.

Also I already have it converted to 3 wire heated if there is a kit that would more easily hook into my current setup? But im assuming I will have to cut and redo the wiring for any WB setup anyways.

Thanks alot!

aaron_sK · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:36 am Post subject:

You retain your narrow-band O2 to the ECM. The computer still needs to see what's up. Wink

You will have to get a second bung welded in your exhaust for the wideband sensor.

IIRC this is the gauge kit I purchased. All the info is over at my Dad's shop, and eBay doesn't track purchases that far back, but I think this is the right part number:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AVM-30-4100/

I believe this is the same setup that Mike is running. I was very pleased with this kit. You can buy the parts individually if something breaks, it is very easy to install, and there is no calibration or tuning. It's literally plug-and-play.

If I was buying another one, I would consider the analog-style kit:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AVM-30-5130/

...just because I have a hatred of silly digital gauges. But maybe that's just me. Razz

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:29 am Post subject:

Thanks! I like the digital. I figure ill probably get one on order here in the next couple weeks.

I need to accuratly tune it finally. Not that i have any clue how to tunning yet. Sad

Alphius · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject:

If it changes your decision any, Mike and I had a conversation after dyno about my Innovate LC1 setup vs. his AEM gauge setup. My LC1 was dead-on with the dyno's WB while the AEM on Mike's car was off by nearly a full point from the dyno's reading. I believe this may be due to the no-calibration-necessary of the AEM, while the LC1 has a free-air calibration routine.

I'd take accuracy over ease-of-use any day, but that's just me. I like things complicated. Razz

Not sure about the AEM, but the LC1 can be setup to output a simulated NB signal to the ECU if necessary, but it's still recommended to go for the seperate NB O2 sensor due to extended reliability.

Twilightoptics · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject:

Kyle's Neon has an AEM also and was dead on with the dyno.

Mike's AEM read pretty darn close to what the LC-1 tables were in the idle/cruise area.

I vote AEM.

Derek can post up and see what his AEM read vs dyno.

That dyno WB is HORRIBLY inaccurate. Nothing against Steve, it just is. It's a lazy setup and when Mike ran, it was half out the tail pipe.

Plus Innovate's customer service SUCKS

Schultzy89GTA · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject:

Alphius · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject:

Oops, totally forgot the probe was out of the tailpipe on Mike's run. Selective memory loss I guess. Laughing

I'm too young for this... Razz

That blows the good point for the Innovate then. Guess functionally they're about the same.

I still like mine. It's great. Works good for me, but I've never had to deal with their customer service either. I am the fiddle-with-stuff kind of guy, a plug and play solution usually isn't what I'm shooting for.

All that being said, I guess my recommendation would have to go to the AEM based on potential customer service troubles. Nothing bugs me more than a company that won't stand behind their product.

Boostd1 · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: