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dlp
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I realized that most of you guys dont know what I have already put into this thing, so to recap, to the best of my memory, these are the parts that are already on the car.
ZZ4 short block
Trick Flow twisted wedge heads
Crower SS 1.5 to 1 RRs
SLP T-Ram intake
LS1 injectors
Fluidamper
160 amp alternator
Comp Roller cam, will be gone soon, .488 I, .509 E, 212I, 214 E, 213 IC
AFPR
aftermarket fuel pump GNX pump (from Australia, cant remember the CO name)
MSD pro billet dizzy, 6 AL box and coil
Hamburger oil pan, scraper, widage etc
Milodon oil pump and screen
1 3/4" SLP headers, SLP cat back, Random tech 3"CAT
New GM replacement radiator
2800 stall convertor, made by Bellevue Transmission
built 4L60, tranny cooler
Koni shocks / struts
Eibach springs
Arizona custom TB, needed for cable issues
Gutted airbox, K&N filters
Hotchkis lower control arms and panhard bar
Spohn sub frame connectors
DANA ball joints etc
.....? man it's been along time, probably more stuff that I will remember as soon as I hit submit.
I spent alot of money on the drive train, then spent another 4K on a repaint, stickers, lights etc.
I realize that for some of you guys I may be coming from left feild with what my predictions, but I have owned this car since 1990 and have over 25K in it without consideration to purchase price.
Just realized I forgot to mention the Trick Flow twisted wedge heads are also being swapped out for a set of AFR 195 eliminators along with the cam I mentioned earlier. The Ed Wright tune will also be replaced.
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dlp
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TurdGen1989
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| dlp wrote: |
I spent alot of money on the drive train, then spent another 4K on a repaint, stickers, lights etc. |
4k on stickers? lol jk
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| izcain wrote: | | I didn't mean anything negative towards your setup..... It's just that myself coming from a dyno shop where all I did for a couple of years was dyno cars day in day out and build different engines for people I kinda understand from a persons setup what it will put out. I have seen many many a car come onto the roller only for the customer to leave with their head hung low. |
All I do is work on Hot-Rods and Transmissions for the most part. I've built several motors and seen several motors built near by.
I don't think Steve's dyno is stingy at all. I can say this because I ran my car on a Mustang dyno at a Ford shop and tuned it there. They were Very impressed with my SBC N/A power. Exactly one week later I ran on Steve's Dynojet and ran numbers within 5HP.
No offense meant Zac, but your dyno gave me 50 more HP than either of those, AND my fuel pressure was dropping on the top end.
Those are big differences.
Find a place you trust and run the numbers before and after. That's about the best you can do. Then see what the ET/MPH leads you.
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dlp
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Re paint, wet sanding materials, buffing material, NOS stickers, NOS weather stripping, NOS turn signels, fog lights, headlights, etc . Yea, 4 grand.
Try and duplicate it for less. I am not counting my labor. Pay someone else to do it and you can probably double the costs. |
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izcain
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | | izcain wrote: | | I didn't mean anything negative towards your setup..... It's just that myself coming from a dyno shop where all I did for a couple of years was dyno cars day in day out and build different engines for people I kinda understand from a persons setup what it will put out. I have seen many many a car come onto the roller only for the customer to leave with their head hung low. |
All I do is work on Hot-Rods and Transmissions for the most part. I've built several motors and seen several motors built near by.
I don't think Steve's dyno is stingy at all. I can say this because I ran my car on a Mustang dyno at a Ford shop and tuned it there. They were Very impressed with my SBC N/A power. Exactly one week later I ran on Steve's Dynojet and ran numbers within 5HP.
No offense meant Zac, but your dyno gave me 50 more HP than either of those, AND my fuel pressure was dropping on the top end.
Those are big differences.
Find a place you trust and run the numbers before and after. That's about the best you can do. Then see what the ET/MPH leads you. |
It's all good haha I know exactly what you mean
I think that dyno was a little off sometimes myself. Really high HP cars would sometimes not put as much as I KNOW they should have....... And some of the lower HP guys were laying down better then average numbers. I think that it really needed to be re calibrated and it was running with some old software. Im no longer there so im not going to worry about updating though.
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dlp
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Cam didnt show up today, might be awhile before the car is put back together. Comp said it if it didnt arive today it will be next week.
Once the heads and cam are in I still need to verify the correct length pushrods to order. |
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dlp
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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I know, apples to Oranges, but this isnt black magic. Good heads, decent cam, great intake and a couple more cubes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTT4Jf3CqFQ
I dont think my expectations are off by much. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that is a destroked 400, gonna make a differance with the bigger bore. Plus that thing will lose 50hp when installed in a car with a streetable carb, alternator, power steering pump, waterpump, and exhaust. |
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Twilightoptics
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| rjmcgee wrote: | | I think that is a destroked 400, gonna make a differance with the bigger bore. Plus that thing will lose 50hp when installed in a car with a streetable carb, alternator, power steering pump, waterpump, and exhaust. |
And another 50 easy through the trans/rear end. You don't know the correction factors their using, etc etc and what the Actual grind is. No doubt it's a bad ass motor there.... but it's not yours.  233 cam shouldn't be running power to 6500 rpm.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | SBC inherently don't flow as well as the intake.
I peak at 6k with the cam I have. I know the HSR flows more than that RPM too. The heads I have shouldn't limit to 6k either.
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241/249@.050
276/282@Adv
.520/.540 Lift 1.5
.555/.576 Lift 1.6
110šLSA, 104 ICL
Mines quite streetable. I drive it to work alot. Best milage is defintiely freeway. Idle milage sucks thats my only complaint.
Something I just noticed is that your ramps are REALLY slow. You're going to bleed off alot of cylinder pressure which isn't good for "streetable/low end." |
It looks like your cam is a solid lifter flat tappet? If so, what is the duration at .050? From what I hear solid lifter cams rate lift and duration at .020? Apples to oranges? |
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Dewey316
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Heh, I like the T-Ram just for its rareness and being different.
But, I think at the end of the day, the HSR will probably be the better option. Although, with the cam your running, the T-Ram might just get the job done, I have a sneaking hunch that below 5k, the T-ram out performs the HSR. |
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chevymad
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| You have to subtract the valve setting from the 0.050 number. But I dont think its as wide as 0.030 any more. Paul will have to answer the exact #, but I think most new solid cams are set much tighter then that. |
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dlp
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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I would put money on the HSR outflowing the T-Ram above 5500 RPM. The runners are larger and probably only 1" +/- longer.
The real difference is that the T-Ram has a larger upper plenum and the air has to make three 90 degree turns before entering each cylinders intake runner. Once it is in the runner, it has a shorter distance in a narrower runner to the head. A couple of Buick GNX guys said it would be the perfect manifold for a turbo charger settup becuase of the huge plenum.
Wish I had the time to test and tune each of them.
Chevymad, What I am trying to say is that usually advertised duration on a solid lifter flat tappet cam starts at .020 lift. I am using a hydraulic roller cam, the specs I mentioned start at .050 lift, not .020. This would mean that the ramps of the cam that was compared to the one I purchased has a slower ramp angle than what I purchased.
Anyhow, I posted this more as documentation to the current build, not to generate a pissing match. Lets let the chips fall where they may. I will post up dyno and track results no matter what. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I like the Tram. But I like weird stuff. 
Just means you have to throw a turbo on there now.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Lash is only .016. I referenced Rodney's combo with the heads because he has an Air Gap intake, and a hydro cam.
Cam: Lunati 60141
Grind 01-241-249
241/249@.050
276/282@Adv
.555/.576 Lift 1.6
110šLSA, 104 ICL
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Called Comp today, the cam left on Monday and " might" be here Friday  |
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dlp
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| The door step was baren when I got home tonight. Maybe tommorow? |
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izcain
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Who did you order these parts from? Directly from comp or from like summit?
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