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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: timing |
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when i drove to seattle the other day i noticed that cruising at 70mph i was at about 1900 rpm, and i dont remember what i did that changed it, but it used to cruise at 70 at like 1600rpm.and i do remember before my timing chain broke i had the timing advanced. so is that why i could cruise at a lower rpm is because of the timing? that might have been before i got the new tranny too...not sure tho _________________
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I would look to the tranny. I don't know of any way that timing could effect your RPM at cruising freeway speed.
Also the factory tach is not the most accurate instrument, as it is. _________________
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Tire temp.
On hot days the IROC used to lose around 200rpm on the freeway. Colder temps = smaller tire diameter. Smaller tires = more revs. |
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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hmmm maybe my different rims and tires made a difference also
and yeah the stupid tach, i had to do the resister mod in order to get it to work
could the exhaust have an affect? cause i dont have leaks or a cat anymore _________________
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rjmcgee The Hammer

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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| aaron_sK wrote: | Tire temp.
On hot days the IROC used to lose around 200rpm on the freeway. Colder temps = smaller tire diameter. Smaller tires = more revs. |
Sorry man but I don't even believe that.
That's a 10% change. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| rjmcgee wrote: | | aaron_sK wrote: | Tire temp.
On hot days the IROC used to lose around 200rpm on the freeway. Colder temps = smaller tire diameter. Smaller tires = more revs. |
Sorry man but I don't even believe that.
That's a 10% change. |
Didn't believe it myself. Thought my Autometer tach was taking a crap. Only happened on really hot days (90*+) and only once the car had been driven a few miles. Made 6th gear deeper on the freeway (1400rpm vs. 1600rpm). |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| 91camaro_rs wrote: | | when i drove to seattle the other day i noticed that cruising at 70mph i was at about 1900 rpm, and i dont remember what i did that changed it, but it used to cruise at 70 at like 1600rpm. |
Maybe you lost the converter lock up. The engine speed is keeping track of ignition events from the distributor. Road speed is measuring rotational speed of the transmission output shaft. If engine speed rises then it is telling you that something in the transmission is slipping.
| aaron_sK wrote: | | On hot days the IROC used to lose around 200rpm on the freeway. Colder temps = smaller tire diameter. Smaller tires = more revs. |
And don't wash tires with hot water or they will shrink.
I'm guessing that the tachometer calibration circuit must have been temperature sensitive and drifted. Tires are flexible and grow in diameter at higher speeds due to the centrifugal force of rotation. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| QwkTrip wrote: | | I'm guessing that the tachometer calibration circuit must have been temperature sensitive and drifted. Tires are flexible and grow in diameter at higher speeds due to the centrifugal force of rotation. |
Engine lugged as the tach dropped, so while I'm not 100% sure it was accurate, I think that it was. I would have loved to done a little more testing with that car to see exactly what caused that, but oh well.  |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Well if that's the case then you need to quit buying your tires from Harbor Freight. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| QwkTrip wrote: | | Well if that's the case then you need to quit buying your tires from Harbor Freight. |
Hey, Kumhos are made in Korea...  |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I can see that you're not having as much fun with this as I am.
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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i did get a shift kit with my newly rebuilt tranny, would that have an affect on the RPM's _________________
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| QwkTrip wrote: | I can see that you're not having as much fun with this as I am.
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Obviously, I need more beer.
| 91camaro_rs wrote: | | i did get a shift kit with my newly rebuilt tranny, would that have an affect on the RPM's |
You might have mentioned that earlier. Is your converter locking up at all, or is it just taking longer? |
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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i have no idea what happens when it locks up or taking longer. taking longer to shift? what does it do when it locks up? _________________
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| The torque converter is a viscous fluid coupler that transfers the engine rotating energy to the transmission. In normal operation it slips some. Your stock torque converter should have a "lock up" that will cause it to not slip when cruising at light throttle. It is worth a few hundred RPM drop in engine speed. If you put a new transmission in then my guess is that you have a torque converter that lacks a lock up, or you didn't get it installed correctly. |
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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hmmm, so having a lock up is a good thing then, i wonder if i can take the car back to the place i got the tranny and have em check it out _________________
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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So does that mean you know what kind of converter you have?
It's only bad if the converter is supposed to lock up and it doesn't. If it's a non lock up converter by design then it is operating fine. Just realize that with a non lock up converter you won't get quit the fuel economy that you used to in the past. It might not hurt to add a transmission cooler as well. Maybe not necessary but good peace of mind. |
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91camaro_rs Member

Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I e-mailed the tranny shop, so ill see what i got when they reply, is a tranny cooler easy to put in? do you use the same lines that go into the radiator _________________
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| 91camaro_rs wrote: | | is a tranny cooler easy to put in? |
Yup...
Okay, I'll give you a little more than that.
Yes. You route the line in from the trans through the aux cooler, then from the cooler to your existing rad tank, then back to the trans.
Go to WOFSCO in Tacoma and they should be able to hook you up with the proper fittings and adaptors, then buy trans cooler line at NAPA or someplace that's not Autozone or Schucks.  |
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91camaro_rs Member

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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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alright sweet _________________
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