Cascade Crew

[91RSVert]

Well, I finally got some quotes on getting my rust repaired. Looks like I will be doing the job myself as it will almost cost more in labor then I paid for the car.

So I need some suggestions on welders. I would like to keep it 110v and takes argon(is that the right gas?).

I was looking at the hobart 140? I thought it had 7 heat ranges, but after looking in person its 4.

[Twilightoptics]

You need a 75% Argon 25% C02 Mix for basic wire feed.

For sheet metal get a spool of .023" dia wire.

PRACTICE PRACTICE before hacking up your car.

There was a thread on here not too long ago about welders. Myself I would never buy a machine with click type adjustments. I can get by, but it doesn't give me the control I need when welding in body panels.

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/mig/millermatic_140/

About 4 years ago I picked up my Millermatic. Forget the number I think it's a 120 from a local welding supply shop. Paid $650 for the welder and full cylinder of Ar/C02 mix.

Wouldn't recommend anything else. Even when I went through school and got my welding degree it further solidified my thoughts of that being a kick ass welder. It says welding to 3/16" but I've used it on 1/2" plate with a pre-heat and broke it in a press and had the same penetration as a 220v welder.

[91RSVert]

I was looking at that miller at lunch. I cant tell by the explination, and not large enough picture to know if thats infintate adjustment on the heat? Can you verify for me?

.023 wire? Thats smaller that most of the machines Ive been looking at are rated for. Most only go down to .025.

I'm going to start in the fenderwell and pratice there. Then to the rear body panel, then to the quarter. My dad use to be a certified welder so if nothing else, I'll make him do it

[Twilightoptics]

Certified welder is kinda vauge. A guy who is certified on bridge type welding may not be able to weld sheet metal lol.

Yes that Miller is inifite on both Voltage and Wire Speed.

[91RSVert]

He had to test on many different things. Stick and wire, overhead, round, etc. It was for the railroad.

Cool beans on the infinate. Will give a store a call tommorow.

[91RSVert]

wow, much more costly.

miller 140, 652.72
hobart 140, 479.79

Two differences I am seeing...
Miller had infinate heat. But yet, the hobart will go down to 25, the miller only goes to 30.


Is the infinate heat worth the 172 bux?

[Twilightoptics]

Down to 25? You mean amperage?

You're never going to notice the 5 amp difference. It could even just be in the rating.

Myself I would pay it. I could be elitest though. It's up to you. I'm just telling you my preference and my experiance. The miller has never let me down.

You might on your phone call ask if the Miller vs Hobart how many drive wheels there are. If one has 2 over the other... I'd make that the deciding factor. 2 Drive wheels means you can run a longer gun lead, and if your lead isn't perfectly straight it's no big deal. If it's just a single lead it makes those things more important.

I can't remember how many mine has. I know some of the Lincolns are single drive wheel.

[rjmcgee]

Man up and get a stick welder! Buzz Box FTW!

I have the 180 Hobart(220 volt) and it does a great job. It only has 4 heat settings, but that's OK since I usually use just one for most things. I do more adjusting with the wire speed and technique for differant materials and positions than anything.

I looked, I only have 1 drive wheel.

[91RSVert]

Yea, 5amps. So I wont notice that?

From google searching, hobart and miller are owned by the same parent company. Miller just aluminum over plastic parts. And then the adjustable heat and thats it. The lead and nozzle is the same.


rjm, we already have a stick welder. It just blows thru sheetmetal. That welder is so old, we changed it from ac to dc

[chevymad]

First time I helped change a quarter panel was on my 71 malibu. My friend Marv is a professional welder, but at the time all he had was a stick welder. He had some kind of fine electrodes.. Welded that thing on no problem. Now, i'm not recommending trying that at all, but I know it can be done.

[91RSVert]

Looks like I'm going to get the miller 140.

Now I was quoted a 84cf?? tank. How physically big is that tank? We dont have alot of space, and the price was quite a bit.


miller140, 652.72
84cf, 219.00
2lb wire, 9.18

Still need spare tips
still need the paste for the nozzle.

And take an afternoon off work to go get it since its on the other side of town and only open weekdays.

[Quasi-Traction]

[91RSVert]

the welder comes with some hoses and gages. I am under the assumption that is what I need?

looks like an 80cf is 37.5" tall. I need to measure the workbench to see if that will fit under it.

[Twilightoptics]

Yes the welder's gauges will work fine.

Make sure you chain the cylinder up so it cannot fall over. Otherwise you'll have a giant CO2 car in your garage.

[91RSVert]

[90droptoproc]

the Miller 140 is GREAT, I bought mine last year, I used every 110V welder I could get my hands on and then bought the only one I will EVER use again
totally worth the extra money
and PS Paul knows what he is talking about

[blue89]

Rich? OMG! RICH!

[Dewey316]

:waves;

Hi Rich!

[90droptoproc]

Hi guys!!

[91RSVert]

ok, went and picked up the welder this week. WOOT

84cf tank and its about 37" tall. Should fit under the workbench.
Got extra tips
got extra shields
came with a roll of .030 wire(will that still work on a fender?)
We already have a helment n gloves

What pressure do I need to set the gas to? Hope to play a bit this weekend. Then hopefully after newyears start on the car(assuming house is finished *sigh*)