Cascade Crew

alloy · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Rear stoppage

New rear LS1 stoppage

To go with existing front stoppage

New 4th generation master stoppage controller

That is all......................for now Wink

GREG DAVIDSON · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject:

looks good !! cant wait to do that to mine

iansane · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject:

Nice! Big brakes are fun.

Is that master from an LT1 car?

cameron7710 · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

sweet!!

alloy · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject:

No, was out of a 93 or 94 bird with a 6 banger. Had to reflare one line to make it work with the prop valve but that was easy. Just bolted it on and bled it all. Was the same car I got the ebrake handle and cable bracket out of. The hardest part was putting the 4th gen ebrake handle in. Had to "massage" it somewhat. Nothing major though. I also got another reservoir off a buick that has a fluid level sensor in it. Just have to wire that up to my brake warning light.

All the talk and worry about how to get the LS1 ebrakes to work is baloney. Was a total non-event getting them to work. Just had to play with the brake handle some, and use the 4th gen brake cable bracket I cut off the same bird. But talk about an ebrake................wow! I didn't think those little drum brakes would do much.........well the stop as good as my old full size drums did. And with much less effort on the brake handle. And I love the self adjusting ebrake setup. It's got a ratchet mechanism in the handle to take up excess play.

Unless you knew this was a 4th gen handle, at first glance you can't tell it's been changed.

By the way..........I've had those big front brakes for over 5 years now.

Magman · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject:

Nice job, looks sweet!

Dewey316 · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject:

Looks good Dan. Has it really been 5 years since you did those brakes... wow, time flys.

alloy · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject:

Yup, pics of the brakes on the car are dated Sept 12, 2003.

Funny......I looked at my front pads today and after about 40k miles, I still have about 7/16" of the original 1/2" pad left. Good pads to say the least.

I used to think my car stopped on a dime with the big front brakes, now it stops on the same dime and gives you $.09 cents in change back. And I love the look........I HATED the drums back there. Been wanting to change them since say.......................oh about................Sept 12, 2003 Wink

Dewey316 · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject:

Yeah. I really need to upgrade my rear brakes one of these days. With the 17" wheels, and the HUGE front brakes, having the drums in the rear is really funny looking.

alloy · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject:

Dewey316 · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject:

Yeah. You are always one step ahead of me though. Wink

. It is actualy pretty interesting when you realise just how similar our cars are. Until I put the weight jacks on, we even had the exact same suspension stuff.

--John

alloy · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

Dewey316 · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject:

When I can afford one. That is the next thing on my list. Wink

Especialy with the way my tranny was doing stuff at the track. I think its going to be time to upgrade here soon.

--John

alloy · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject:

Well plan on at least $2000 if you do all the work yourself including rebuilding the trans. I'll be happy to help you build it. I learned a lot with mine and I couldn't be happier with the results. Your lucky you have a T5 car, much easier than switching from an auto.

The only thing that will really bug you is how high the clutch engages. Move the pedal 2" and your fully disengaged. There seems to be a lot of speculation on why this is. Some say it's the 3rd gen pedals with the 4th gen hydraulics, but one guy has 4th gen pedals and still has the high engagement point. I'm going to make my clutch master push rod adjustable in the next few days to see if this will help any. Going to do it without removing the rod from the car. Will be a pain, but MUCH easier than removing that dang master from the car. You will know that I mean when you do this. I wish I'd have done the mod to the push rod before putting the master/slave back in the car
Duh

Dewey316 · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject:

Since I already have a T5 car, I will probably go the route that Paul went. Using the LS1 T56, that way I can re-use my clutch/hydrolics, etc. So that stuff shouldn't change for me.

--John

alloy · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:46 am Post subject:

I had considered going LS1 style, but decided to go LT1 instead. I went from a 10-1/2" clutch to an 11", and the LT1 flywheel was 5 pounds lighter than my T5 one was. I also didn't have to cut and shorten my nice aluminum drive shaft, and I've read a number of posts on LS1.com about problems with the hydraulic style throwout bearing. Granted the people posting about these problems might not be brain surgeons, but I decided to take the opinions with a grain of salt and avoid potential problems. Paul's seems to work well for him though, so go figure.

After it's all said and done I'm extremely pleased with how mine came out.
I've had ZERO problems with my setup. Like I told Mike, this was so trouble free it worries me. And the brakes/new rear seem to be the same way. I've never done such major mods like this and not had some problem crop up. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop now.

Quasi-Traction · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject:

not to hijack the thread anymore....

but could you do a mechanical linkage with a T56?

alloy · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject:

Hijack away.........doesn't bother me at all. I'm the one that mentioned a T56 in the first place here and started discussing it. We are talking about 3rd gens and how to make them better. That's the entire point I believe. Each of us throwing their $.02 cents in to make our cars better.

Anyway........I guess it may be possible with an LT1 style T56. A LS1 trans has a hydraulic push type release bearing and has no provision for a release fork. And the LT1 is a "pull" clutch. So instead of your mechanical linkage pushing the release fork, you would have to pull on it for this to work.

Honestly, it's probably not worth the effort. The hydraulics work pretty well. I'll figure out how to get my clutch pedal where I want it. I may try a set of 4th gen pedals if I can find a set at the junk yard. I know someone else said they tried them and didn't get anywhere, but you have to consider the source on that one. There are a lot of things that aren't supposed to work like 4th gen LS1 ebrake cables that worked perfectly for me, yet others struggle with them.

Xophertony · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject:

alloy, i know you are a mature responsible adult... but i am wondering, if you were doing about 25-35 miles an hour and you ripped up on that ebrake would it lock the rears? that's a requirement for any future rear brake upgrades i may undertake.

Twilightoptics · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: