Cascade Crew

Twilightoptics · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: T56 upgrades

So besides the 3-4 Iron Fork.... what are some T56 upgrades? Anyone know?

Xophertony · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject:

chrome it!

may have to be logged into tgo

Schultzy89GTA · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject:

G-Force and Rockland gear have some pretty strong T-56 hardware. As you would imagine, it comes with steep entry fee.

Face-tooth is the other deal I was talking about before Paul. B was showing me some of the stuff that others have done when we were discussing my grinding issue. Here is an excerpt from an article regarding some of the optional upgrades that G-Force offers (I am sure there are other companies). There are also other gears that are straighter (comes with more noise) and hardened shafts (ya, ya).

Call The Dogs
When it comes to manual transmissions there are two basic types of gear engagements, synchronized and dog-ring (also called face-tooth). All factory and some race-type transmissions use synchronizers because they allow for smooth, yet quiet gear engagement. "A synchronizer, or blocking ring as it can also be called, is used to slow the speed gear so that the slider can engage the gear when the gears are shifted," stated Long. "As the driver moves the shift lever he manipulates the shift forks and that moves the sliders. The sliders will start to force the syncronizer onto the tapered ramp that is attached to the speed gear. As the syncro rides up the taper it grabs the gear and slows the gear, or synchronizes the speed of the gear, so that the teeth can engage. When it comes to racing, the limiting factor with a synchronized transmission is often rpm, and that's because as rpm is increased it becomes more and more difficult for the synchronizer to slow the gear quick enough and allow the teeth to mesh. "Normally the limit is around 6,500-7,000 rpm, but a good clutch setup and a good driver may be able to go a little higher," added Long.

When the synchro can't slow the gear down fast enough to engage the gear, the result is grinding and that shreds the teeth on the synchro. Ultimately, the transmission will grind all the time and may pop out of gear. If these symptoms sound familiar it may be time to call in the dogs. The dog-ring gears, that is. A dog-ring (or face-tooth gear as it is called), is a system of gear engagement that essentially has no blocking ring, just big steel lugs (on the slider and on the speed gear) that engage and lock together to drive the transmission. "The lugs on a dog-ring setup are on the face of the gears as opposed to being on the inside diameter of the slider and the outside diameter of the speed gear. So the face of the gear and the slider engage, rather than the inside diameter and the outside diameter of the speed gear. And rather than having 35-40 little teeth that must mesh together, the lugs simply slam together and lock in. There are between three and eight lugs on most face-tooth gears and that allows them to interlock quite easily, with virtually no chance of grinding. The advantage to the face-tooth setup is unlimited shift rpm, quicker shifts and much fewer missed gears; however, you can expect additional noise from the transmission.

-Schultzy

iansane · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject:

There's also upgrading the tailshaft to viper spec or similar.

Demon · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: Re: T56 upgrades

Twilightoptics · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:49 am Post subject:

Carbon Blocker Rings?

Is that the same as the Carbon/Kevlar Sychro Rings?

Demon · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:39 am Post subject:

could be, email them to find out?

Twilightoptics · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject:

Okay Blocker Rings ARE the sychros.

I already seem to have Carbon/Kevlar synchros. Good there.

The billet Dogs/Keys are a must. Even the old Muncie/T-10 Dogs are a billet casting. The T56 has a piece of sheet metal bent into a box shape. Rediculous.

Not really sure how useful the bronze pads are at $30 a pair.

Twilightoptics · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: T56 upgrades

Demon · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: T56 upgrades

Twilightoptics · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject:

I'm not going to spend $600 for something I have $450 worth of now. The only sliders they offer by itself are faceplated ones. Which have to be used with faceplated gears. They DO offer a stocker. The $600 kit doesn't include gears.

So the stock hub/slider must be good for 700 LOL

Demon · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject:

entirely possible of course... it's usually the clutches or tailshaft housings on the T56's that go before the rest, until you get past that 700 mark ... though even the mikronite and face plated gears I've seen sheared off ... Tiago's TT LS1 WS6 goes through transmissions like crazy it seems

Twilightoptics · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject:

Well when the thing is originally rated at 450 Tq.... FLYWHEEL.....

Demon · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject:

Dewey316 · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject:

Demon · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: