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Brembo brake swap. (go big, or go home)
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Dewey316
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject: Brembo brake swap. (go big, or go home) Reply with quote

I figured I would update a thread, and I'll record how this turns out.

Using C6 Z51 Rotors, with Cadillac CTS-V brembo calipers. His stuff is massive. I have serious doubts that this is all going to fit behind my 17's, but we will find out.

So here is all the hardware and calipers. The brake lines Ed sent look to be just standard thirdgen lines, I am waiting to hear back from him, as I thought I was getting longer lines, with a 90* banjo on them, so that it fits right. I am trying to clarify (had I known they were stock lines, like I already have, I wouldn't have spent the money for lines) on if he just sent the wrong ones, or if he test fitted this, and it will work.



Here are the rotor and caliper, next to a CD for some size comparison.

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Caliper:



Paul was also nice enough to bead blast my old hubs that I had used with the C4 brakes. I tossed some paint on them so they are all ready to go.



All that is left now, is modifing the new spindles (my other ones were junked from the problems with the other brakes) and then test fitting this all with a wheel, to see if it fits.

I'll update then when we do that, and post pictures.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is creepy weird. I was reading brake threads all day long today on corner-carvers.com and ls1tech and had been pricing out the same calipers matched to some floating z06 rotors. Shocked

Should be sweet!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will let you know how this goes, my plan is floating rotors for these, but it wasn't in the budget right now.

I just got ahold of Ed, he says the brake lines he sent do work. So, I guess i could use the braided lines I already have on there too. Probably best to put the new ones on, just to be safe, and keep the old ones around as a spare just in case I break a line or something.

Ian, if I were you, I would go either Brembo like these (Ed has the brackets to put these on the 14" rotors also, I went with the 13.6" ones, hoping to fit them under the 17" wheels. If they don't fit, I'll be calling you about the 18" wheels, lol. If you have some spare money laying around, I would really look at going for something really nice, like AP racing, you would probably have to custom make the brakets though, that isn't going to be something you can just get from Ed. (You could probably send him a caliper and rotor, and he could fab up the brackets through.)

Or just wait for the ZR1 stuff to come out, and step up to the 15" Carbon brakes. Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neat. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewey316 wrote:
Or just wait for the ZR1 stuff to come out, and step up to the 15" Carbon brakes.


That's about the only reason I didn't already pull the trigger on the V- Brembos. From what I understand, using the c6 z06 rotor, you can bolt them right up to an ls1 fbody spindle. So I would surmise that an ls1 bracket would let me at that combo. I wonder If I could trade Ed for my c5 bracket. Laughing

I kind of want to see what dealer pricing is on the ZR1 stuff first though. But it's so far away and I'm impatient as hell. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't realise you were on corner-carvers. Do you have a username there, or do you just browse?

(PS, I can probably help you on the "test" if you are registering...)

(PPS -- I can't believe that I belong to site with a "Test" for membership. They really slipped up when they let me in, lol)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Yeah, I'm on there. I liked the test though. Help weed out the uber-retards.

I'm iansane on there too. Although, admittedly I typed the username in before reading most of the board or else I would've just gone with my real name.

There is some serious knowledge there. I really haven't stopped reading. I do have to take breaks though because I'm almost overloaded at times!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it, I have the same username over there, and haven't ever gotten crap about it. Just don't post stupid stuff, or say you are a newbie, or any of that, and no one will say anything. My sig has my real name in it, and my car, and that is all, keep it simple, don't post BS, don't post without searching, and you'll be fine.

I am sure you will get some crap but it will all be teasing. Their is a huge ammount of knowledge there, if you are reading a thread, and don't understand something, just reply to that thread, they will help you then. If you start a new thread about it, they will pounch on you.

If a guy like me, who can't spell, can make it for all these year over there, anyone can, as long as you don't get defensive when they pull their attitude out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to play!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, mocked up, and test fitted. Clears the 17" wheels by MILES. Hehe, should have gone with the 14" rotors, instead of the 13.6". Wink

Still have some work to do, one of the hubs had a problem, the mounting surface was off by about 0.200", so Paul was kind enough to offer up one of his extra hubs. He is going to finish turning it down to fit the rotors, and then we can finish assembling that. We also ran into some issues with the washers that Ed provided, which didn't seem to let the caliper sit right. We basicly had to take one washer down about 0.025" so everything was right and the caliper sat square with the rotor.

So here are the pictures!

Paul, determining something...lol, This was early on, so I think he was just setting stuff about, and seeing how all the pieces were to fit together.



A nice shot of the calipers and pads, while paul was still setting stuff up to make sure everything lined up.



Shot of the spindle and bracket. You can see how it had to be clocked further down so that it would clear.



Hubs freshly painted and installed. (take notes...my hub/spindles/brakes will never look this good again)



Rotors...mmm...Not a fan of the cross-drilling. When money comes up for it, I will probably order some nice custom 2-peice floating rotors from Coleman Racing, the pad just hangs off the inside edge of the rotor face, so hopefully at some point, i can solve that with some diffrent rotors.



Here is a shot of the back, and how it all goes together.



Top of the caliper, and the pads, and retainer. I guess you can't see stuff as well as I had hoped.



Here is the money shot. Look at all the room!!!



And a preview of what it will look like from the front. mmm, understated with the silver, but bad arse! V// = Very Happy




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuff looks good Thumbs up Hopefully, I'll be able to start on mine shortly. I still need to get a set of caliper brackets & hardware and have a set of rotors turned down to hubs. Might not stop as quick as John, but quicker than I do now Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so those roters wernt too big i know that you were worrried.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop quicker?

Can you lock your tires? If so, then technically you have all the breaking power you need. The Largerness is really to minimize/reduce brake fade!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
Stop quicker?

Can you lock your tires? If so, then technically you have all the breaking power you need. The Largerness is really to minimize/reduce brake fade!


Understood. All physics, dependent on the weight of the car and it's contact patch, bigger brakes wont change that Cool

Actually, if you lock your wheels, then you're just along for the ride with no control over the car. It takes more distance to come to a stop with the wheels locked as rubber builds up under the tires and acts like ball bearings for the tires to ride on. This was the idea behind ABS when it was introduced. I hardly lock up my brakes, even when I'm on them hard, but it does happen occasionally Cool


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way to steal my thunder Dew Rolling Eyes

Looks good though! Those calipers look crazy! I'd like to see you put some sticky race tires on the front and do some stoppies. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweeet! How far does it hang off the inside of the rotor? I would assume a 14" rotor the pad would fit on it completely?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iansane wrote:
Sweeet! How far does it hang off the inside of the rotor? I would assume a 14" rotor the pad would fit on it completely?


Not much at all, 1/8" maybe. Yeah, 14" rotors and you would be set.

I have to discurage you though. You keep copying my ideas... Wink First the wagon wheels, now the brakes! Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing The wagon wheels were only temp.

And besides, I'd just go straight to 14" floating rotors. Very Happy
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