Cascade Crew

BigDaddyVu · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:53 am Post subject:

i was reading on those sites you guys sudjest. whats the difference between the LT1 t-56 and the LS1 t-56? i was told it was more desirable to get the LT1 type and will the shifter come outwhere it supposed to be?
doses anyone have pics of your mods?

Xophertony · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject:

the way i understood it (am i wrong?):

so i think i was more right the first time, but just skip down and read what paul wrote Sad

EDIT* thatnks 305 302 eater, fixed. Cool

EDIT* gah... i don't know what i'm talking about.

305 302eater · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject:

Wrong, the ls style t56 uses the hydrolic throw out bearing. Where as the lt t56 uses a pull style throw out bearing that still uses both a master and a slave cylinder. your backwards tony. O and paul As far as i've been told by all the hot rodders around here and a couple of trany shops that its better to use the pilot bearing rather then a bushing. They say they rarly ever go out. They told me to just buy a new one every time i put a new clutch in which goes without saying.

305 302eater · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject:

chevymad · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject:

I've seen a couple places that sell the tko's and other 5spds recommend not using the bearing style pilot. There's pro's and cons to both of course. The bearing style supports the input bearing in the trans better.. but when they go out they total the input shaft. The rollers are hardened steel and just chew up the shaft like you stuck it in a lathe. I've replaced quite a few clutches that had ripped up the input shaft before. I can usually get away with polishing the input shaft then using the bronze bushing on it. No way to use the roller after its chewed things up.

The bronze bushing can cause input bearing problems when it gets worn, BUT the soft metal will never chew up the input shaft of the trans. Chevy's used the bronze bushing forever and it's almost always lasted as long as the clutch.

I guess I just dont like having an open roller bearing with no way to repack the grease running on an expensive part. The bronze bushings have oil baked right into them, so they're self lubing as it wears.

305 302eater · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject:

Well i guess I'll have to see for myself when i pull my trans when i get my crate which wont be for a while. If its all messed up i will go with a bushing then. Just find it odd that i have herd from a number of people that the bearing style was suppose to be better.

Xophertony · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject:

i had a long talk with a parts store employee about bearing vs. bushing on input shaft, and while YES the bushings do wear faster, i agreed with his opinion that it was better to have to replace a bushing with every clutch job then it would be to replace in input shaft when a bearing fails. better safe then sorry in my opinion.

then not only will i have saved a few bucks (the bushings are about 4$ cheaper IIRC) i will be able to shift with peace of mind.

Quasi-Traction · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject:

chevymad · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject:

The bearing pilot doesnt always fail, otherwise chevy wouldnt use them now. But when it does happen to fail you then have trans problems. Like I was saying pro's/cons to both. On a couple of other boards there have been huge debates about it. Kind of like prefilling an oil filter, aluminum vs iron heads, or oval vs rectal. Nobody ever really decides which is better.

305 302eater · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject:

Schultzy89GTA · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject:

Xophertony · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject:

skomakowa and their crazy "rectal port" heads...

so wait... there are actulay cons to pre-filling an oil filter? i always thought this was somthing those of us in the know just did Confused

chevymad · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

Ya.. the con is most of the cars made today either mount the filter sideways or even upside down. So unless you feel like pouring the oil on the floor you just put hte filter on empty. Almost every shop in the world doesnt fill the filter first either. I know i dont bother. My motors last 2-300k miles, so i guess it doesnt hurt much.

Xophertony · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject:

ohh, makes sense.

i learned to change oil by changing it on diesel riggs with filters that had a 6 quart capacity, we primmed the filter. Shocked

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Twilightoptics · Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:46 am Post subject:

BigDaddyVu · Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject:

well i passed on the t-56 i really need to get my car painted but if any one of you guys want to buy it i can give out the number he's only selling for 1k firm

aximil · Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject:

is that out in spokane and what all does it come with, as you can see in my sig i need a new tranny at a good price

aaron_sK · Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:01 am Post subject:

Quick question for Paul: I know you recommended using an LT1 starter over a T-5 starter. Are there any years of LT1 that are better, or are they all the same? I'm gonna assume that '93 was probably different though.

Twilightoptics · Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject:

94-97 if you're going that route.

I got one from like a 94 or 95. Rebuilt from a parts store.

If you have an auto and need a starter anyway it's a good way to go because it's gear reduction. A little more expensive but better in the long run.

I don't know about the LT-1 bellhousing specifically, but you might be able to run a manual trans T5 starter if you needed but I don't know for sure. Obviously the LT1 starter will work.