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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thought:

On my Camaro I ran Taylor wires with 90* boots and no condoms. I ran them up through the top similar to Al's and I had zero issues with them for several years. The Accell ones I replaced were physically crispy in some spots. Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive had problems with several accel parts. I wont put them on my car if given to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I shall upgrade to Taylor wires soon. But first I need to figure out my tuning . I have been doing akot of reading on timing and it seems that in order to do it correctly I am in a pickle , for my engine is bit sick to the car and I have no clue of the internals , so therefor no way to no what my timing should be at.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to make matters worse, all that I have been reading shows how to do it with a dial back gun
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup.


Old heads set it to 36 total after 3000rpm, put the vacuum port on manifold vacuum and see if it pings. If it does, back it down a degree at a time.

No dial back light, use timing tape.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
No dial back light, use timing tape.


I'm with stupid

I have never owned a dialback light. Never found myself needing one. Wink

If the wires/cap/rotor/plugs are at all questionable I would replace them before doing any tuning of the distributor. Otherwise you could be chasing your tail trying to tune out a mechanical fault.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this old man from across the strett come over. He said by ear timing didn't seem to bad, so he showed me how to use a screw driver to ground out plugs and with that u found a wire that visably didn't look bad bad was. Replaced it. Runs well enough now to at least get me by for a week or two. But I have a bad exhaust leak
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMAO. I remember those old coots.

"yeah that sounds right to me."

Then I prove to them what 15deg off can do to an engine.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in their day the gas was good, the compression was low, the head design was terrible, the cam was too big and they could get by with BS like that.

Now it's gasahol and small high-compression heads and hyper pistons.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure timing is off, but it did show me that at least then, wire was bad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jchaussee wrote:
I am sure timing is off, but it did show me that at least then, wire was bad


Didn't we already establish that your wires were dead?!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I figured they were but a visual Inspe tion showed no issues. So that is where trick of the old timer came into play. After I saw nothing visually I with my no knowledge brain assumed timing had just jumped real bad.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also check for that easier than pulling all the plugs by firing the car up cold then feeling the header tubes and looking for a cold one. You need a timing light to do your timing. I have a dialback light but it's almost useless and I don't trust it's measurements so I use it locked to 0 and use the 0-60 degree marks on my balancer instead. You can get that same effect with timing tape.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While we're on the subject of old-man tricks: in the past I have found a dead cylinder by putting the inductive pickup of the timing light on each plug wire and pointing the gun at the ground.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
While we're on the subject of old-man tricks: in the past I have found a dead cylinder by putting the inductive pickup of the timing light on each plug wire and pointing the gun at the ground.


I've done that too. He don't got no timing light. Razz

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a timing light, just not a dialback. I have an old school sears light from like 1977
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one of those timing tabs on my harmonic balancer, so do I need timing tape?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jchaussee wrote:
I have a timing light, just not a dialback. I have an old school sears light from like 1977


Doesn't matter. The light I have is one my Dad bought before I was born. He gave it to me when he sold his last distributor car. Laughing

jchaussee wrote:
I have one of those timing tabs on my harmonic balancer, so do I need timing tape?


Does the timing tab on your distributor read back to 36* btdc? Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. It is oily. But the one I saw on the you tube video did. Lol
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a joke. Sad

It will read back to eight or ten degrees, maybe twelve. You need the tape. Cheap stuff. Just clean the balancer first.
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