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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really strikes a red flag with the (takes longer to get hot with no cat)


If it's a cloud of white smoke, you're burning coolant/water.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is that?? I just figured that if cat was clogged the exhaust wouldn't flow as well thus caussing temps to rise. It used to get to 200 or so by time I drove to local mini mart. Now I can drive there and almost home by time it gets there.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In another note. When I first start it, it puffs out blue smoke then it quickly turns to white. Is that something to be concerned about.?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jchaussee wrote:
In another note. When I first start it, it puffs out blue smoke then it quickly turns to white. Is that something to be concerned about.?


The blue puff is valve seals. The white could be a bad headgasket or simply condensation in the pipes.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to conclusion that white smoke is condensation. Very little today. Could the blue puff be from to much gas when staring?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gabe already told you what the blue puff is.

It's from the valve stem seals. The puff is commonly referred to as the Chevy Salute.

Your new heads should have new seals on them and you wont have the blue puff start up problem.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes new heads. Which brings another question. I will post in my head thread.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, blue puff is really nothing to worry about, but the new heads should take care of that if they have nice valve stem seals.

When my heads I have now were rebuilt with all stock seals they only went about 15k miles before I had the Chevy Salute once again.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stock umbrella seals are crap. The guides should be cut for positive seal, which is the same cutter that cuts down for more cam lift.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stock umbrella seals are crap. The guides should be cut for positive seal, which is the same cutter that cuts down for more cam lift.


Yep, this. When I had my first set of heads rebuilt I was still in high school and didn't know all this fancy mumbo jumbo. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am 34 and still don't understand this mumbo jumbo Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I have already began to burn through wired. Mainly boots. The headers are really tight and so boot almosts touches them and over time burn through. So my question is, what are some decent short plugs. I see the acell header plugs at oriellys and such bit they tend to have mixed reviews. Also are far as wires. Are the make your own difficult to do? I like the under headers look . And some looms look good such as als, but that only seems to be on center bolt covers. I basically need some suggestions on keeping wires from burning. I think I will get some talyors and clamps like arron suggested, but I think some shorter plugs will help a lot. Oh and on another note is their an easy way to find out where an exhaust leak is. I hear a ticking, and I really hope it is an exhaust leak.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Very Happy

http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/ignition-wire-protection/titanium-protect-boots

O'Reillys also sells those.

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Oh and on another note is their an easy way to find out where an exhaust leak is. I hear a ticking, and I really hope it is an exhaust leak.


You've been driving the car a decent amount, right? Stick your head under the car (not when it's running...) and looking for sooty deposits at joints, clamps, or gasket surfaces.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some thoughts:

Wires burning is often not just a routing problem. Could be timing too retarded or other engine issues causing the headers to get excessively hot.

Could also just be crappy wires. Accel and MSD wires just burn up because they're crap. Razz

I looked into shorty plugs for the 3800 and the lack of tunability turned me off to that route.

For the exhaust leak I usually just start the car when it's stone-cold and put my hand down around the headers (without touching anything). You will feel the pulse of the leak.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine are even crappier then that. They AutoZone specials. And I do think I have other engine problems because it just gets hot under the hood really quickly. Bit the main place they are burning are the ends of the boots cause the boots are so close to the headers. I may have to try the shprty plugs for that reason alone. But do other brands make the shorty plugs or am I stuck with accel
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The engine bay will get hotter, and quicker with headers.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

90DEG plug wires are a must for headers.

Plus your tune, sounds like especially timing, is way off. It always has been. Just sayin' based on all your previous posts. Start melting plug wires, either they're touching, or tune.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used spark plug boots and zip ties and routes all my wires under my headers. I haven't had a single problem with any of them even coming close to touching the primaries. You just need to be clever with your routing and keep the wires tight.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And is seems as if it is getting. Worse. Running really crappy now. I hope its just timing.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Skyler. I use the same insulators, but routed traditionally through the headers and up onto the valve covers. I have one or two that are a bit close, but the insulators do a nice job of protecting the wires.


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