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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Really strikes a red flag with the (takes longer to get hot with no cat)
If it's a cloud of white smoke, you're burning coolant/water. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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jchaussee Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 1318 Location: renton
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Why is that?? I just figured that if cat was clogged the exhaust wouldn't flow as well thus caussing temps to rise. It used to get to 200 or so by time I drove to local mini mart. Now I can drive there and almost home by time it gets there. |
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jchaussee Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 1318 Location: renton
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| In another note. When I first start it, it puffs out blue smoke then it quickly turns to white. Is that something to be concerned about.? |
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Alphius Peanut

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jchaussee wrote: | | In another note. When I first start it, it puffs out blue smoke then it quickly turns to white. Is that something to be concerned about.? |
The blue puff is valve seals. The white could be a bad headgasket or simply condensation in the pipes. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
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jchaussee Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 1318 Location: renton
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I came to conclusion that white smoke is condensation. Very little today. Could the blue puff be from to much gas when staring? |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Gabe already told you what the blue puff is.
It's from the valve stem seals. The puff is commonly referred to as the Chevy Salute.
Your new heads should have new seals on them and you wont have the blue puff start up problem. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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jchaussee Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 1318 Location: renton
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah yes new heads. Which brings another question. I will post in my head thread. |
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Alphius Peanut

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, blue puff is really nothing to worry about, but the new heads should take care of that if they have nice valve stem seals.
When my heads I have now were rebuilt with all stock seals they only went about 15k miles before I had the Chevy Salute once again. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Stock umbrella seals are crap. The guides should be cut for positive seal, which is the same cutter that cuts down for more cam lift. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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Alphius Peanut

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | | Stock umbrella seals are crap. The guides should be cut for positive seal, which is the same cutter that cuts down for more cam lift. |
Yep, this. When I had my first set of heads rebuilt I was still in high school and didn't know all this fancy mumbo jumbo.  _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
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jchaussee Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 1318 Location: renton
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I am 34 and still don't understand this mumbo jumbo  |
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jchaussee Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 1318 Location: renton
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| So I have already began to burn through wired. Mainly boots. The headers are really tight and so boot almosts touches them and over time burn through. So my question is, what are some decent short plugs. I see the acell header plugs at oriellys and such bit they tend to have mixed reviews. Also are far as wires. Are the make your own difficult to do? I like the under headers look . And some looms look good such as als, but that only seems to be on center bolt covers. I basically need some suggestions on keeping wires from burning. I think I will get some talyors and clamps like arron suggested, but I think some shorter plugs will help a lot. Oh and on another note is their an easy way to find out where an exhaust leak is. I hear a ticking, and I really hope it is an exhaust leak. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/ignition-wire-protection/titanium-protect-boots
O'Reillys also sells those.
| jchaussee wrote: | | Oh and on another note is their an easy way to find out where an exhaust leak is. I hear a ticking, and I really hope it is an exhaust leak. |
You've been driving the car a decent amount, right? Stick your head under the car (not when it's running...) and looking for sooty deposits at joints, clamps, or gasket surfaces. _________________
| Quote: | | Sometimes I actually think I'm slightly retarded in the mouth. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Some thoughts:
Wires burning is often not just a routing problem. Could be timing too retarded or other engine issues causing the headers to get excessively hot.
Could also just be crappy wires. Accel and MSD wires just burn up because they're crap.
I looked into shorty plugs for the 3800 and the lack of tunability turned me off to that route.
For the exhaust leak I usually just start the car when it's stone-cold and put my hand down around the headers (without touching anything). You will feel the pulse of the leak. |
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jchaussee Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 1318 Location: renton
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Mine are even crappier then that. They AutoZone specials. And I do think I have other engine problems because it just gets hot under the hood really quickly. Bit the main place they are burning are the ends of the boots cause the boots are so close to the headers. I may have to try the shprty plugs for that reason alone. But do other brands make the shorty plugs or am I stuck with accel |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| The engine bay will get hotter, and quicker with headers. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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90DEG plug wires are a must for headers.
Plus your tune, sounds like especially timing, is way off. It always has been. Just sayin' based on all your previous posts. Start melting plug wires, either they're touching, or tune. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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DBL_TKE Member

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1505 Location: Aloha, OR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I used spark plug boots and zip ties and routes all my wires under my headers. I haven't had a single problem with any of them even coming close to touching the primaries. You just need to be clever with your routing and keep the wires tight.
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jchaussee Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| And is seems as if it is getting. Worse. Running really crappy now. I hope its just timing. |
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Al Hasse Member

Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with Skyler. I use the same insulators, but routed traditionally through the headers and up onto the valve covers. I have one or two that are a bit close, but the insulators do a nice job of protecting the wires.
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