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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: What kind of plastic is the throttle cable? |
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Do you think the outer skin is made of PVC?
I know it seems like a weird question but it will make sense soon.  |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would guess poly as it is stretchy and not brittle like ABS.
If you've gotten to the annoying "fourthgen cable through thirdgen firewall" part of the build I just cut the thirdgen firewall clip off, ran the fourthgen cable through it, then used a piece of fuel line and clamps to brace it.  |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Bingo. I was thinking of merging the 4th gen and 3rd gen tubes together. I need a 3rd gen style on firewall and a 4th gen style on throttle body.
I think you had a new swage put on the end of your cable, right? Where did you get that done or did you find an affordable tool? I need to shorten the 4th gen cable at the pedal (unless I'm lucky enough that I can extend the length of the tube the right amount). |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Whats the difference on the TB? _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| QwkTrip wrote: | | I think you had a new swage put on the end of your cable, right? Where did you get that done or did you find an affordable tool? |
Jon, you have put way to much thought into this. Think less like an engineer and more like a caveman. If you need to squish a thing you merely bang it between two rocks!
Just set the swage on the anvil (or on a sturdy steel bench, or even a concrete floor) and hit it with a hammer. It's just aluminum after all.
| Twilightoptics wrote: | | Whats the difference on the TB? |
Both the clip on the TB bracket and the pin on the end of the cable are totally different. Also the length is wrong.
*Edit: Went out and took some detailed pictures. This was one of the expedient projects I did when Gabe and I were over here making this thing drivable as quick as possible, but it seems to work so I'm down with it. Note my use of good EFI line and clamps for added strength.
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| aaron_sK wrote: | Jon, you have put way to much thought into this. Think less like an engineer and more like a caveman. If you need to squish a thing you merely bang it between two rocks! |
I like the humor but I don't think that's a reliable way to do it. It's going to be hit and miss whether the ferrule holds. I went to a bicycle shop thinking they swage cables all the time but they just buy pre-made stuff. Kind of surprised about that.
So I'm starting to think the outer sheath is made of nylon. If that's the case then I could probably join the tubes with hot glue or silicone caulk. At least it won't ruin anything if I try it. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Look closely at the ferrule in my last picture. The aluminum has compressed the steel cable completely flat. There's no hit-or-miss to be had. I have had swages pull when using a swaging tool, I have never had one pull that had been beaten down.
FWIW I think you are too focused on joining the outer layer of sheathing. Pretty much all that does is keep the inner spiraled steel sheath dry. You need to use a tube of some kind to hold the inner steel sheaths together so that they cannot move in shear. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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The cable does have a wire core but it stops near the firewall. I've cut the original 3rd gen cable off near the firewall and all that's left is a stub of plastic tube and the firewall connector. Hoping I can slip the 4th gen cable tube inside the stub and make the two pieces hold.
I see you basically used a coupling to join the two pieces. I might end up doing that if I can't work out my ideas. Thanks for the good info!  |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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I remember trying to slip the fourthgen cable inside the plastic connector as you are talking about, but I ended up just making a butt-joint. I forget if I did that because it wasn't possible, or if it was just taking too long.  |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It might not have been possible. It sure doesn't just go in by hand. I think I might have to apply some heat gun. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I really wish I remember what I did with the cable situation. I can't remember spending more than a few minutes tossing that junk in. _________________
| Quote: | | Sometimes I actually think I'm slightly retarded in the mouth. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| You might have put a washer on the firewall and tied a knot in the cable to take up extra slack. That's about the only way to do it really quick. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I just went out and checked. Yeah, washer epoxied to the firewall. But no knot? I'll grab a picture.
Edit; looks like misalignment of the cable. However, I've put over 40k on this cable and haven't had any issues?
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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It's designed with a bell-shaped opening.  |
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Alphius Peanut

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: |
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I like the combining third and fourth gen cables and putting a new swage on the cable. It seems like that is the most "correct" way to do it. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: |
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