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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | 3k though ? am i missing something here ? |
Quote: | Yes. An economics degree. |
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IROCDave Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Nice find. 2005's had the LS2 though. Either the guy doesnt know what he has are it is older. |
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d00012 Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Either way...if it has the ecu and harness, I'm all for it. Going to call him tomorrow and see what motor it really is and all that good stuff. |
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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IROCDave wrote: | Nice find. 2005's had the LS2 though. Either the guy doesnt know what he has are it is older. |
LS1 = new SBC to all these morons.
No mention of mileage or condition, and he's asking way to much. |
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d00012 Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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aaron_sK wrote: | No mention of mileage or condition, and he's asking way to much. |
How much should it be? |
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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It's not a great price but that's fairly standard asking price, honestly. You can definitely find cheaper but if you can talk the guy down to 2k (dependent on mileage/condition) it really isn't that bad. _________________
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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He still has it but has some guy checking it out tonight...hopefully they don't buy it so I can check it out tomorrow ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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IROCDave Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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If it has less than 60K miles and is an LS2 (6.0 litre) 2300.00 with all the accessories is a good price. There were several improvements to the LS2 engine and it has more potential than the LS1, not the least is about 50 horses more out of the box. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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That's a fair price. Not overpriced.
But I don't think it is right for you. You need F body accessories, F body oil pan, and cable operated throttle body. There are more engines out there just as nice as this but having the right hardware for your swap. In the end it will be cheaper to keep hunting for the right engine. |
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d00012 Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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True, but doesn't hurt to look at it. Can't go wrong with a Gen IV. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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There's not a lot special about that engine. It still has 243 heads, same as the earlier Z06 heads. It does not have the LS3 heads like on the current production engines.
If you want a good Gen IV engine then get something with rectangle port heads. The iron truck engines are physically stronger and will make more power when you cam it. Plus you can use the LS3 intake. If you're going to hunt down accessories and oil pan, then it's hard to beat the low entry price of the truck engines. |
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IROCDave Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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QwkTrip wrote: | There's not a lot special about that engine. It still has 243 heads, same as the earlier Z06 heads. It does not have the LS3 heads like on the current production engines.
If you want a good Gen IV engine then get something with rectangle port heads. The iron truck engines are physically stronger and will make more power when you cam it. Plus you can use the LS3 intake. If you're going to hunt down accessories and oil pan, then it's hard to beat the low entry price of the truck engines. |
Sticks n Stones here (again- I'll create my own account soon!) Care to put some money on that boast that a iron engine makes more power than an aluminum one?
The benefits of the LQ9/ cast iron engine is that it can handle another 300 or so rwhp before it reaches it's limits. However, you can upgrade a LS2 block to make way more power then a cast iron LQ9 block for an additional $3k or so along with allowing it to go to 500 cubes.
Need anything else? I'm here all night with LSx info. lol |
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: |
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The comparison I was making was a truck engine with rectangle port heads vs. LS2 with 243 heads because that's what he is looking to buy.
What engine can make the most power before exploding isn't the point. The point is to help guide him to make the most economical decision. Most people on this site are going to stay mostly stock so getting the right parts up front is important. A cam swap is usually the end of the mods because the LSx swap in and of itself is a huge upgrade and expense to modify the car. Any way you cut it though, any LSx is a major leap forward and a real kick in the pants compared to what we have in our cars stock. ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Either one would be nice, but I would have to go with aluminium because of less weight. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Why is that? The iron 6.0L is almost dead nuts on the same weight as the V8 in your car. If you say, "handling" then you should think strongly about a 4th gen. By starting with a 4th gen you'll have less money into the car overall and it will handle better then anything you can do to that 3rd gen.
Not trying to argue with you. Just want to make sure you know your options. The ONLY reason I am playing with my 3rd gen is because I've had it for 19 years and it is a sentimental thing, it's show car nice, and I don't care about corner carving. I am spending way more to make an LSx swap in the 3rd gen than if I had just used a 4th gen. Most people aren't like me and keep a car that long, no matter what they say their plans are. |
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d00012 Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I have the 2.8.
A 4th gen would be nice, but I want to try something a little harder.
I haven't had my 3rd gen as long, but it is sentimental and, I don't see myself getting rid of it. I would prefer the aluminium block, but if an iron block falls in my lap I'll gladly take it. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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d00012 wrote: | I have the 2.8.
A 4th gen would be nice, but I want to try something a little harder. |
Then you and I are traveling the same road, my friend! We can share stories when it is all done. ![Cool](images/smiles/icon_cool.gif) |
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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another thing to consider is how pig ugly 4th gens are. ![Laughing](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) |
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