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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: What material is an original AC delete box made of? |
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I bought an AC delete box from a guy on thirdgen.org. It's made of fiberglass, is shiny black, and the holes don't quite line up to my firewall. Trying to figure out if this was a legit GM part or not. |
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turbo_jimi Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 1206 Location: Tacoma
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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The ones i have always seen were stamped steel. _________________
1985 Z28 Crate 350, Hurst T-5, 3.23s, Flowmaster Under previous set-up: 143.82 rwhp 216.98 lbs. torque @4390 rpms 3/12/11 |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. That led me to do a little Google search and I think I bought one of these.
http://www.acdelete.com/pages/82-92_F-body.htm
Even though I didn't get what was advertised I still got a good deal. I guess it's fine. |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Stamped steel is correct.
I like that fiberglass one. Way better looking then the one I molded of the gm steel one. Wonder if it would fit the ac blower motor system? |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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QwkTrip wrote: | http://www.acdelete.com/pages/82-92_F-body.htm |
WTF? Dude, you could have bought THREE steel ones for the price of one of theirs. And the GM ones wont crack. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I thought I was buying an original GM part. I paid $125 shipped which includes the cover, fan, and switch resistors. I don't think I need the resistors but it is built into the unit.
Do you think I should complain or just consider this good enough? That's what I'm trying to figure out. At best I was thinking of giving the guy a neutral trader rating for not disclosing all the facts. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have never seen anything like that box in any thirdgen. I've pulled bought and sold many delete boxes and all of them were steel, and all of them were the same shape.
That guy's boxes look like they're made to hold the taller squirrel cage (which came only in aircon cars). They're also much taller on the top end for some reason (hole in the firewall is the same size, so it doesn't make a lot of sense).
This is a stock GM steel unit in my car:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/aaron_sK/85Z/camaro002.jpg |
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turbo_jimi Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 1206 Location: Tacoma
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
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QwkTrip wrote: | Thanks. That led me to do a little Google search and I think I bought one of these.
http://www.acdelete.com/pages/82-92_F-body.htm
Even though I didn't get what was advertised I still got a good deal. I guess it's fine. |
The one in the link looks like a 2nd gen box in my opinion. _________________
1985 Z28 Crate 350, Hurst T-5, 3.23s, Flowmaster Under previous set-up: 143.82 rwhp 216.98 lbs. torque @4390 rpms 3/12/11 |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Weren't those acdelete.com box modeled after g vans or something? _________________
Quote: | Sometimes I actually think I'm slightly retarded in the mouth. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:43 am Post subject: |
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So what is a fair price for a factory box with fan? |
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chevysquid Member
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 72 Location: Coupeville, Washington
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: |
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I paid $50 shipped for mine a few months ago. _________________ 1986 IROC Z-28 |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Paid $12 for mine at the junkyard, with all wiring, the relay, resistor and fan with motor.
But I see them for $40-$60 complete on TGO and other places mostly. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:56 am Post subject: |
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You got PM dude, but those guys are right on about pricing. I hope that eBay dude will take a return.
BTW, you don't actually need the fan or the resistor or any of the harness. You can reuse your old aircon fan (heavier unit with one extra speed) if you get the proper squirrel cage for it.
On my last two cars I have gotten the cages out of mid-size FWD GM cars, it bolts up perfectly to the larger fan shaft, but fits in the smaller box. |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I thought the resistor provided the speeds? I'm using the three-speed fan with my four-speed resistor and it seems to work fine???? It's just a regular old 12V motor. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I think I have resistors on the box inside the cab, so it's already wired into my car. All I should have to do is plug in the connector at the fan and I have as many speeds as I do switch positions on my dash control, right? |
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Al Hasse Member
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Alphius wrote: | I thought the resistor provided the speeds? I'm using the three-speed fan with my four-speed resistor and it seems to work fine???? It's just a regular old 12V motor. |
The resistor (resistor network) does provide speeds.
The fan has only a two wire input, so is only capable of one speed, depending on the voltage supplied. The resistor network is a voltage divider and provides everything but high speed voltage to the fan, depending on switch position. _________________ 92 Camaro
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: |
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So what's the hose coming off the fan in the engine bay? It's too big to be a drain for condensation. Is it supposed to wrap around to the box to provide a clean air source for cooling of the fan motor? |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Alphius wrote: | I thought the resistor provided the speeds? I'm using the three-speed fan with my four-speed resistor and it seems to work fine???? It's just a regular old 12V motor. |
Yeah, I stated that kinda wrong. Using the 4-speed resistor with the smaller motor will work, but who wants a smaller motor?
The hose coming off of the motor into the box is some sort of bypass, probably for cooling. I have run it open and with a tube there, didn't seem to matter much. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'll bet it's an air cooled motor and needs a clean air source. Maybe cap it off with a filter. |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Al: Thanks, that's what I was trying to say except you stated it much more concisely.
Aaron: Whatevs. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
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