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M90 Super charger, what do you guys think

 
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scott in wa.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: M90 Super charger, what do you guys think Reply with quote

I was looking On TGO and
saw this custon M90 super charger set up on a tpi.
Its cutom, but will it work?????
What do you think the boost would be?

check it out. see below



http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/attachments/parts-sale/115876-eaton-m90-supercharged-305x353810x-car-project-044.jpg?d=1144810163
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its my plan....



Really you need 2 of them to create any real power increase. Also, it will take a LOT of custom fabrication, and computer work.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:14 am    Post subject: I think I like Reply with quote

How about going up one size on the blower?
M112, or somothing like that?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

an M112 by itself would support a good amount of HP. That is the supercharger that is on the Ford Lightenings, GT, and 05 Cobra's.

The problem with the M112, is fitment. IT is several inches longer than the M90, which makes fitting it, and plumbing it in a bit more difficult.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what do you estamate the power added with one m90????

do you know anyone or read anything about a mod like this?
Iam very interested.

I wouldn't mind twin m90's sicking out of the hood a little on both sides.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 M90 pushes 90ci of Air per revolution, at about 70% effeciancy.

The redline on them, allows you to run about a 2:1 ratio to the engine RPMs.

So in each engine revolution you get about 180ci of air.

On a 350ci engine, each revolution, your motor displaces about 175ci, giving yourself 180ci of air, doesn't really get you anywhere. Not persay any possitive boost ratio.

(now, this is over simplified, the VE of the engine means it really only uses about 150ci of air, giving you some positive pressure from an M90, but it is not much. Couple that with the 70% effeciancy of the blower, you really end up with a very small actualy pressure ratio, after all of the thermo dynamics are done (the effectiancy of the blower, determins how much it heats the air, as the air gets hotter, even though you have displaces 180ci, the actualy ammount of air, comared to the ambient air that you would get NA, is even smaller)).

Gereraly speaking, from the ford SC guys, and the GTP guys online, an M90 maxes out around 300hp.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:37 am    Post subject: twin Reply with quote

How much with the twin setup you are doing?"??
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

with the twins, you can get about a 1.6 pressure ratio or so, which is pretty good. All in all 2 M90's should support over 500hp pretty easily.

I'm going to be running them on a 327, So my requirements change just a bit. I am shooting for about a 2:1 pressure ratio, which means for ever HP i make NA, i'll make twice that supercharged.

It is not an easy project though. Everything you need will have to be custom made.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: application Reply with quote

Do you mind me asking about your project?
327? tpi? tbi? carb?
some specific stuff?

computer????
Year?

any one else do this?
thanks
scott
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My project hasn't started yet. So many things are up in the air. All that I know right now, is it will be a 327, with 2 M90's.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a way to change the oil?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bren-col wrote:
The m90 Eaton unit is completely sealed and the internal oil should last for the life of the supercharger, but what if it doesn't? Is there a way to change the oil?


Buh? GM recommends 100K SC oil interval on their M90-equipped cars. Many guys change it more often than that.

Speaking as a guy who loves goofy oddball projects, but took a perfectly good Eaton off of a motor and replaced it with a turbo: this is an oddball project. If you do it you're doing it to prove a point about your own level of insanity, which is why we all love Dewey. Very Happy

For the price you'll have in piping, mounts, belt drives, and whatever else you need to get two M90's running you could have easily just built a turbo kit or bought a ProCharger and made more power.

I gave up pretty quick on the idea of getting just one running. It's been done, of course, but the power isn't worth the effort IMHO.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
Buh? GM recommends 100K SC oil interval on their M90-equipped cars. Many guys change it more often than that.


Used supercharger oil is far and away the most foul smelling liquid associated with automobiles. I had a bottle at Bruce Titus I used to dab on techs or around their boxes and it would reek for days.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
Used supercharger oil is far and away the most foul smelling liquid associated with automobiles.


Amen to that!! My god that was a bad smell. I read once it was made from whale something?

I had a GTP, sold it at 103k miles. I had changed the sc oil 3 times. Most of the time it was very low on fluid. I suspect at 100k and no changing, that thing would be bone dry.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The M112 works great on 5.7L I know as the ls6 in the V has one bolted on it. Makes about 8.5 lbs after the pulley swap.

they tend to generate a good bit of heat though.

I am beginning to think I will change the oil in it soon. Something else to add to the list. Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone notice that this thread was resurrected from '06?!?! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha it never fails I always forget to look at that! Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha... looks like a robot hawking for ZZP was the one to do it too. Doh!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewey316 wrote:
My project hasn't started yet. So many things are up in the air. All that I know right now, is it will be a 327, with 2 M90's.



Oh will it now?!?! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RSFreak wrote:
Dewey316 wrote:
My project hasn't started yet. So many things are up in the air. All that I know right now, is it will be a 327, with 2 M90's.



Oh will it now?!?! Laughing


It still could be, haha. :p
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