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BluFbdy

Ive been working on my l98 and t56 swap for a few weeks now that im settled in, moneys kinda putting a strain on it so i was hoping people that have done this swap could give me a quick run down of how this all goes, and possibly help me in the near future? Thumbs up

Heres what ive got so far:

L98 (under construction)
LT1 T56 w/bellhousing
LS1 pedals ( not sur eif theyll work but long story short im an idiot)
Fidanza flywheel
Pro 5.0 shifter'
Hawks t56 conversion crossmember

I know i need to get the brake switch and neutral saftey switch, and the connectors, or does the thirdgen brake switch connectors plug into the new one? i saw the NSS pigtail on hawks but no BLS.

Also... heres a new one i posted on TGO and its in reference to the pedal setup... I know that the LT1 has the bassackwards pull style clutch as opposed to the T5's push style, now i saw on SPECs website that they have a push to pull hydraulic converter...if i picked up one of these could i retain my T5 pedals? Ive heard youve gotta cut up the T56 pedals and i dont feel like doing that if i dont have to.

So it should be a matter of dropping in the trans, mating it to the block, putting up the xmember, wiring in the switches & hydraulics and it should be good to go right?

Once i figure out the deal with SPEC's product, (if itll work for my needs) ill decide whether or not i need a new set of hydraulics, im thinkig of goin with a SPEC clutch too

Any tips/info would be greatly appreciated, my big hang up with TGO is people can be real big douche bags since they stickied the T56 swap thread, except its a million pages of babble and not really a tech article

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject:

Are you running a T5 car now? If so, start looking for an LS1 T56 so you can retain your current clutch/hydros/pedals/ect.

And remember, I'm telling you that as a guy who swapped an LT1 T56 behind an L98. Wink

Xophertony · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject:

i have never touched a T56, but i can tell you SPEC makes an excellent clutch product. i have a Centerforce on my trans am, and the SPEC stage 1 on my 2.8 has epically better performance and road manners.

BluFbdy · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject:

hold on...an LS? i had an LS trans but i traded it for this LT because i couldnt afford to get the swap bellhousing for it and i heard you had to shorten your driveshaft for it, im running a WCT5 right now, im assuming you said look for an LS style because its got a throwout bearing instead of fork operation?

Thats why im lookin at that spec hydraulic thingie, if it can convert my push style pedal force to a pull on the hydraulics thats the route id like t take, im waiting on them to get back to me lol

IF i have to buy a new pedal set and hydraulics i dont mind, but i was hoping to cut a step out of the process lol

iansane · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject:

Is the Hawks xmember just a Spohn one? Does it still have that crazy low piece of metal on the passenger side?

I reused my brake switches. However, I'm pedals from a '99 car. (bought new. Embarassed

)

The pedals aren't different in the actuation of the clutch, they're different in the angle the clutch MC rod is in relation to the firewall. The "cutting" is just to get a thirdgen MC rod stub in the correct location. As far as I know.

If you're not already T5 then *I* think hardest part of the whole swap is cracking loose the 700r4 bellhousing bolts and putting the pedals in.

If you ARE t5, then keep the pedals you have.

Al Hasse · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject:

If you want to keep your speedo cable, one of our members (alloy) does the tailshaft conversion.

iansane · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject:

BluFbdy · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject:

ok simple enough, i looked up that hydraulic thing, its a throwout bearing, heres a link to a review i found on it, they tested an EVO but i think i could use it for my t56

http://octanereport.com/tech/parts-reviews/2010/06/22/dynotest-review-spec-mini-twin-disc-clutch.html

not sure if it has to be paired with the mini disc or not, i sure as hell hope not and im actually going with some glowshift gauges, theyre gonna go straight to the VSS, not a huuuuuge fan of cables (for some reason ive snapped 2)

from what ive read in that article it says "This is even counting the SPEC hydraulic throwout bearing that converts the clutch from a pull-type to a push-type for more reliable operation."

Now if im understanding this right.... the clutch being a pull type would refer to the LT1 T56, and converting to a pull, would mean it should match my t5 pedals which are a pull style... maybe this is what i need, maybe im just low on sleep lol need some advice

also im wondering if their throwout bearing can totally replace the fork setup...... thats the iffy part for me

BluFbdy · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject:

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject:

Ever try to bleed an LT1 slave? Razz

I got the sealed kit back when they sold it new from GM. Was well worth not having to f*** with a slave that has no bleeder.

My two cents remains firmly with the LS1 style FWIW.

BluFbdy · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject:

Ahh ease of operation...that's always a plus lol I'm pretty pigheaded though, if I have too much trouble mabe I can work with a sealed kit, is it that much different than bleeding a t5?

iansane · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject:

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject:

Twilightoptics · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject:

LOL common misconception.

I've got Thirdgen style T5 bellhousing (actually a scatter shield but thats the application.

Thirdgen hydraulics (reservoir, master, line, slave.)

Thirdgen Clutch Fork

Thirdgen Clutch kit

Thirdgen flywheel

Thirdgen pedals

All I had to do different for the swap, was buy a $200 adatper plate, and a $40 pilot bushing, and a shorter driveline to fit the ls1 trans.

BluFbdy · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject:

well i guess im stuck with what ive got, i dont really mind lol it seems like everytime ive got something theres people telling me to get the other lol ive just settled for the LT cuz Wesilva from TGO needed an LS, and he gave me a bellhousing with it (got two now....) AAAAAAND he gave me a free fidanza flywheel surfaced....so i cant complain too much, soooo now ive just gotta get a new LT slave and clutch? I admit theyre pricey buuuut if you know where to buy and whos got the discounts it all comes out in the end right? haha

OH! aaron do you happen to have any interest in a tick slave with speed bleeder line? it came with my LS but i really have no use for it now, its collecting dust next to my motor i paid like 120 from the seller for it (got a couple goodies when i bought the trans from the guy)

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject:

BluFbdy · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:10 am Post subject:

Ah I was under the impression you were runnin a t56 lol if you hear of anybody who needs/wants one I've got one lol like I said no use for it

I think I'm gonna run a spec satge 3 clutch, apparently they're offering discounts to tgo and I found one for like 400 or something, pricey but what the hell I might as well lol

aaron_sK · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:10 am Post subject:

SPEC stage 3 is $539.00. Paul is only running a stage 2 on his 12 second IROC. Laughing

For that price you could buy the LS1 adapter, a new pilot, have the shaft shortened, and still have a good 150-200 bucks left over.

Alternately, you might look for an LS1 driveshaft. I seem to recall them being a hair shorter than the stock thirdgen shaft, plus they only weight like ten lbs.

BluFbdy · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:12 am Post subject:

While this iz true I think if I get a different setup one more time my wife will kill me, I've just heard good things on the stage 3 and nothin about the rest, for now nothing moves til the money gets better aGain lol except little things like sensors and connectors

BluFbdy · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject:

Ok for the sensors is there anywhere to get them besides hawks? I like them and all but the whole delay on shipping used to piss me off, and not knowing what they're charging me til its already done, so if I can get them from somewhere closer than SC that'd be nice lol are there any yards around here that'd have them?