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91camaro_rs Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: tuning |
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if i get this, is this everything i need?
http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=64&products_id=54
i called them and they said i needed the GP1 package, AP1 (couldnt find on their site), the aldl cable combo and the burn 2 programmer. anyone know what the AP1 is? |
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Dewey316 The Lama
Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
1990 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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For that price, I would strongly consider the EBL system. You are still TBI correct?
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_Flash.php
It will cost you just a little more, but I think functionality wise it will be much better.
(i'm going from burning chips to the EBL, as soon as I get the audi out of the garage) |
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91camaro_rs Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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i have TPI now |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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I ran the Moates Burn1. I used it with their GP1 package that I bought from Mike. I was very pleased with it, but it was not user friendly (had to drop the ECM all the time).
^ Two cents. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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aaron_sK wrote: | I ran the Moates Burn1. I used it with their GP1 package that I bought from Mike. I was very pleased with it, but it was not user friendly (had to drop the ECM all the time).
^ Two cents. |
Drop the ECM?
Real tuners leave the ECM on the floor! _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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91camaro_rs Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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so should i go with the package or should i get the burn 2,gp1, and aldl cable seperatly? |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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91camaro_rs wrote: | i have TPI now |
Al says you can run the EBL with TPI. I trust him. It sounds ultra cool. _________________
Quote: | Sometimes I actually think I'm slightly retarded in the mouth. |
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Al Hasse Member
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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From this page
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_Flash.php
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** MAF TPI Corvette and Camaro/Firebirds:
To change from a MAF TPI set up to an EBL Flash ECM requires a few changes. There are some ECM harness connector pins that need to be moved. A MAP sensor (1, 2, or 3-bar) is added using the existing MAF wires and plumbed to the plenum. The MAF is no longer used but may remain in place.
Then plug in the EBL Flash ECM and turn the key.
This is an easy and great upgrade to get away from the expensive MAF sensor and burn-off relays. And is even better when boost is involved. |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Oh but I think he's not MAF. |
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91camaro_rs Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: Fox Island, Wa
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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ian is right i have speed density |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Twilightoptics wrote: | Real tuners leave the ECM on the floor! |
Women tend not to be impressed when they get into your car and step on a hanging computer... |
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Dewey316 The Lama
Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:20 am Post subject: |
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aaron_sK wrote: | Women tend not to be impressed when they get into your car and step on a hanging computer... |
See, i always warn the women, not to step on the computer, or the car will shut off.
Come to think of it, that might explain just a few things.... |
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fiveoformula Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1799 Location: OR
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Dewey316 wrote: | aaron_sK wrote: | Women tend not to be impressed when they get into your car and step on a hanging computer... |
See, i always warn the women, not to step on the computer, or the car will shut off.
Come to think of it, that might explain just a few things.... |
Haha, been there and done that... Like this week. lol |
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Dewey316 The Lama
Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: |
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fiveoformula wrote: | Dewey316 wrote: | aaron_sK wrote: | Women tend not to be impressed when they get into your car and step on a hanging computer... |
See, i always warn the women, not to step on the computer, or the car will shut off.
Come to think of it, that might explain just a few things.... |
Haha, been there and done that... Like this week. lol |
I have a few really slick moves I can teach you young padawan.
The "nice dress, is that new....here hold my coffee while I show you how fast my camaro is...." always is a hit too. |
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flea Member
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 1246 Location: Raymond WA
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: |
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So Dewey, your saying that the ever popular line "Take it easy, that tape is structural" is headed in the wrong direction?
Who'd a figured. _________________ Killing mailboxes since 2009 |
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Dewey316 The Lama
Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:14 am Post subject: |
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pfff. My structural designs are sound. My mad skillz with the ladies...not so much. |
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Richster Magic Fingers
Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 879 Location: The Black-Hole
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Velcro gentlemen, hide wires and Velcro that computer out of the way of those Wonderful ladies getting into your ride!
Never make a woman feel awkward on that first date…what am I going to do with you guys?! _________________
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chevymad Master B
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 5474
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:03 am Post subject: |
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First John I'm surprised you noticed a new dress. Unless perhaps it has less to notice maybe.
And I think you are all missing the point anyway. I'm sure you've created quite the impression allready by showing up in a 3d gen hoopty for your first date. Asking her to not step on its vital parts could only be more of what she's expecting at that point.
Brings up some psych crap now too.. If the first date involves asking her not to step on vital parts of your car, what does that say about stepping on other vital things in your future relationship? |
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RSFreak The other "John"
Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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My ECM has been hanging for a few years now. Yeah, gotta warn the GF not to step on it or spill her Starbucks on it or anything. _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
'85 Camaro Berlinetta - IROC clone
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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aaron_sK wrote: | Twilightoptics wrote: | Real tuners leave the ECM on the floor! |
Women tend not to be impressed when they get into your car and step on a hanging computer... |
They're also not impressed that you own a thirdgen either. The fact that it's running and you're more modern than 1985 is as good as it gets! _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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