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IROC-stangs Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 374
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: ls1 help |
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was wondering if people that have done ls1 swaps in their thirdgens can chime in and help. im wanting to do a ls1 swap and want to see what eveyone went thru during their swap and if i should even attempt an ls1 swap or if a fuel injected motor is just as powerful, reliable, and drivable. also any good ls1 swap threads would help to. also was it all 01-02 f-bodys or just a few that recieved the ls6 heads. thanks. |
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d00012 Member
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 679 Location: Granite Falls
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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From what I've heard, the LS1 swap can be done as cheaply as any good SBC build. If you find a donor car, with low miles, engine/tranny/ecm/harness intact; would be even cheaper than some SBC builds. The power potential and aftermarket for the LS1 is very impressive, but so is the SBC. That's unfortunately all I really know. |
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IROC-stangs Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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d00012 wrote: | From what I've heard, the LS1 swap can be done as cheaply as any good SBC build. If you find a donor car, with low miles, engine/tranny/ecm/harness intact; would be even cheaper than some SBC builds. The power potential and aftermarket for the LS1 is very impressive, but so is the SBC. That's unfortunately all I really know. |
ok thats good if it would be comparible in price thing is im just mostly worried that i cant do the wiring and such. i think all i could do is the basics- building engine, drop in engine, and install other needed things such as exhuast as long as they dont require modifications to the parts but wiring, welding and such i have no idea how to do same with tuning. |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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IROC-stangs Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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thanks i'll check out the links in a bit. are the truck motors just as reliable/drivable as a ls1 engine? also with a truck motor is it more, less, or about equal work as installing a ls1 engine? thanks for your help. also i will be using ac/heater and all that extra stuff. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Truck motor is the same dimension, sans the intake, but you'll want an LSx intake anyway. And everyone knows iron is more reliable than aluminumiumum. |
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IROC-stangs Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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aaron_sK wrote: | Truck motor is the same dimension, sans the intake, but you'll want an LSx intake anyway. And everyone knows iron is more reliable than aluminumiumum. |
cool does the iron even weigh much more? just curious. |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: |
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The truck motors take a bit more work because you have to car intake, car oil pan and car accessories unless you want to run a crazy cowl hood to fit the intake and a special spacers/adapters to fit the truck accessories.
The iron motors weigh about 80lbs more than the aluminum versions which is still lighter than your typical SBC because of the plastic intake and aluminum heads.
If you drop it in without a rebuild your probably going to find the truck motors were more beat on.
If you're wanting to use A/C and such you'll have to decide whether you want to use the 4thgen/truck compressor and notch the kmember/buy a tubular kmember and run custom made AC lines or use the thirdgen compressor on a custom bracket.
It's all the little things that add up. Don't forget fuel system, gauges, transmission, etc. |
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IROC-stangs Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: |
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iansane wrote: | The truck motors take a bit more work because you have to car intake, car oil pan and car accessories unless you want to run a crazy cowl hood to fit the intake and a special spacers/adapters to fit the truck accessories.
The iron motors weigh about 80lbs more than the aluminum versions which is still lighter than your typical SBC because of the plastic intake and aluminum heads.
If you drop it in without a rebuild your probably going to find the truck motors were more beat on.
If you're wanting to use A/C and such you'll have to decide whether you want to use the 4thgen/truck compressor and notch the kmember/buy a tubular kmember and run custom made AC lines or use the thirdgen compressor on a custom bracket.
It's all the little things that add up. Don't forget fuel system, gauges, transmission, etc. |
thanks im worried that this is to much work for me to do though as i dont have anyone to help and we dont even have a shop class at my school. i wish i could just do a carbed 383 swap to make everything cleaned up and easy but i dont wanna strip the whole car out it has to much value to me. how much simplier do you think a 383 swap would be? i think i would have to go fi as it is more drivable it seems and i have to stay emissions legal. |
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91camaro_rs Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:51 am Post subject: |
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im sure you could get a carbed 383 to pass emissions, i am plannin on an LS1 swap once i can afford it haha, i met a guy in gig harbor that can get donor cars and motors and stuff cheap through his business, so hopefully he can hook me up _________________
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IROC-stangs Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: |
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91camaro_rs wrote: | im sure you could get a carbed 383 to pass emissions, i am plannin on an LS1 swap once i can afford it haha, i met a guy in gig harbor that can get donor cars and motors and stuff cheap through his business, so hopefully he can hook me up |
thats cool thing is is an carb motor just as drivable as an fuel injected one if both are tuned right? i will probaly be daily driving it in high school and after that so thats why i mostly wanted a ls1 type engine or fuel injected. also say if i was to do 383 but before build the 305tpi i have now could most of the internals be used on the 383 or a 350? dam i need a job so i can finally get some mods |
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townaj Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I have a carbed 383 and its perfectly driveable. Even with my huge cam. But 383's sure like to suck the gas, thats the only thing I don't like about mine. But I have been daily driving it to highschool since school started this year. Except for downtime due to the transmission problems. |
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IROC-stangs Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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townaj wrote: | I have a carbed 383 and its perfectly driveable. Even with my huge cam. But 383's sure like to suck the gas, thats the only thing I don't like about mine. But I have been daily driving it to highschool since school started this year. Except for downtime due to the transmission problems. |
thats good how much mpg does it get? would fuel injection be any better on gas? im almost wondering if i should run something like tpi. |
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