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RSFreak
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Damn Ford!!! Reply with quote

So I finally got my serp belt on the Taurus this morning. Got antifreeze in the radiator. Started up and ran like a champ for about a minute. Then a large cloud of steam comes out from under the engine. I shut it down and look under the car to see torents of coolent pouring down from some unknown location. There was also a freeze plug laying on the ground. That sucks but not the end of the world. So I go to Schmucks and get a rubber freeze plug (the kind that have the tightening screw on them) for $2.36. I finally locate the missing plug way up behind the exhaust manifold. Get it in with much effort and start the car. Now its leaking from the other side! One of the other freeze plugs is leaking!!! By this point I am totally frustrated and call it a day. I will be back at it again tomorrow morning. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks man! But at least it was freeze plugs and not a cracked block.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iansane wrote:
That sucks man! But at least it was freeze plugs and not a cracked block.


Don't jinx him. Razz Plugs popping is a bad sign. Could very well be a serious crack.

The beauty part of it is that Ford stuck such a craptacular automatic transaxle to those engines that there are plenty of them sitting at the junkyard in usable shape with less than 150K on them.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far we've only had one freeze victim come into work. A vw vanagon. I poured water in, it poured out just as fast. It "looks" like both head gaskets are pushed out.

I expect to have a bunch more come in as soon as everything thaws out. Then people will realize theres no water or freeze plugs in their motors.

Good luck with the taurus anyway. Even if its a ford.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chevymad wrote:
So far we've only had one freeze victim come into work. A vw vanagon. I poured water in, it poured out just as fast. It "looks" like both head gaskets are pushed out.


Tell him he should have bought an air-cooled VW.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it kinda is now. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I affectionately refer to my wifes Taurus as the Ford Piece O' Crap
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been studying the Taurus forums recently and it seems freeze plugs routinely pop out on the gen 3 Vulcan V6s. There was even a recall (long since expired) put out by Ford due to inferior freeze plugs.

BTW, those rubber freeze plugs are really trick! If I ever have a plug come out on one of my Chevy engines I'm gonna replace 'em with the rubber ones! Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want have one pop out on a SBC, the block will crack first.

I used to work at a boat shop that handled Mercruiser warranty. Funny thing was that there nore OMC with freeze damaged blocks than Mercs.

I think it had to do with the paint on the blocks. Thick paint wouldnt let the plugs pop out.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chevymad wrote:
So far we've only had one freeze victim come into work.


ya same here,kinda well i live in the first houses on the first street right off the 176 exit of i-5 and i have so many people broke down in front of my house and surprisingly only one so far as been because freezing

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cameron7710 wrote:
i have so many people broke down in front of my house and surprisingly only one so far as been because freezing


That's probably cause most people's cars don't freeze up while driving down I-5. Squint
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
cameron7710 wrote:
i have so many people broke down in front of my house and surprisingly only one so far as been because freezing


That's probably cause most people's cars don't freeze up while driving down I-5. Squint
haha ya good point but it happend to one guy the other day, his radiator was spiting out ice cunks
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dlp wrote:
You want have one pop out on a SBC, the block will crack first.

I used to work at a boat shop that handled Mercruiser warranty. Funny thing was that there nore OMC with freeze damaged blocks than Mercs.

I think it had to do with the paint on the blocks. Thick paint wouldnt let the plugs pop out.


Had to replace a cracked block in a boat one time.. The guy had even drained the motor and everything in the fall like he was supposed to. What he didnt do was pull the plug in the bottom of the boat. The boat filled up with rain water, the engine filled up with rain water, then the engine froze! LOL
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.xydatasource.com/xy-showdatasetpage.php?datasetcode=746841&searchtext=glycol&dsid=34

Interesting little chart. I actually had some straight antifreeze (in the overflow) freeze up on me once. Couldn't figure it out till I was reading that a few years later.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RSFreak wrote:
I've been studying the Taurus forums recently and it seems freeze plugs routinely pop out on the gen 3 Vulcan V6s.


Vulcan???

There are too many engineers watching Star Trek.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i always wonder why those plugs are easy to pull out on the v6 ford they also come with cracked rods (instead of a machined connecting rod cap they are seizmic cracked from the factory) alot of them had no wear just a broken rod.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the power this engine has. It really moves my big wagon in a hurry. Too bad there were so many quality issues with it. This car will be traded in as soon as I can afford to get another reliable vehicle (not another 3rd gen!). Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pfft. It takes a real man to daily a thirdgen. I did it for over a year before I sold out.

BTW, why not daily the RS, John?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I daily drove the RS for about four years before having the Taurus given to me. It needs tabs. I should probably get them... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should give up on the RS and give it to me.



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But then you would be 'TAFreak', which just sounds dirty. Squint
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