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GREG DAVIDSON
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 Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: hope they produce one of these ! |
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i think it looks kinda b.a. but thats my opinion what do you guys think ? i have heard a bunch of rumors saying yes their going to make it then i hear know whats a camaro without the firebird come on guys 
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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nice i agree if theres a camaro there needs to be a firebird
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iansane
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Doubtful. They're looking to cut back on the production of cars that are already out there, I doubt they'd ad more. Besides, pontiac has had it's fair share of market flops recently. GTO, solstice, G8, etc. Their marketing sucks though...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Nope. At this point it's doubtful that the Camaro will even see much of a production run. GM hasn't had good luck selling performance cars since the mid 90's, and they're not about to throw more money after it when facing bankruptcy.
What's more likely is that Pontiac as a brand folds, along with Buick and Saturn. The big-three American are looking hard at the big-three Japanese and realizing that having only two brands (standard and luxury), seems to be much easier to market. |
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GREG DAVIDSON
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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thats what i was thinking to aaron witch is going to suck balls if itr happens i've always like the styleing of the pontiac brand over the chevys (sorry camaro guys) but then again i'm weird like that  
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looks awesome im glad there bringing the 2nd gen rear window back
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The 5th gen looks way better as a Firebird!
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| aaron_sK wrote: | Nope. At this point it's doubtful that the Camaro will even see much of a production run. GM hasn't had good luck selling performance cars since the mid 90's, and they're not about to throw more money after it when facing bankruptcy.
What's more likely is that Pontiac as a brand folds, along with Buick and Saturn. The big-three American are looking hard at the big-three Japanese and realizing that having only two brands (standard and luxury), seems to be much easier to market. |
I say they toss GMC before Pontiac. GMC is a redundant division.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Quasi-Traction wrote: | | aaron_sK wrote: | Nope. At this point it's doubtful that the Camaro will even see much of a production run. GM hasn't had good luck selling performance cars since the mid 90's, and they're not about to throw more money after it when facing bankruptcy.
What's more likely is that Pontiac as a brand folds, along with Buick and Saturn. The big-three American are looking hard at the big-three Japanese and realizing that having only two brands (standard and luxury), seems to be much easier to market. |
I say they toss GMC before Pontiac. GMC is a redundant division. |
GMC also does alot of fleet/heavy duty stuff that chevy doesn't. It's nothing for them to toss a GMC badge on a chevy truck to cater to the hardcore GMC fans.
Buick will probably leave before Pontiac. |
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| I'd say chevy for econo-cars/light duty trucks, caddillac for luxo barges, GMC for medium and heavy duty trucks and maybe saturn for fleet cars and such. |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | | Quasi-Traction wrote: | | aaron_sK wrote: | Nope. At this point it's doubtful that the Camaro will even see much of a production run. GM hasn't had good luck selling performance cars since the mid 90's, and they're not about to throw more money after it when facing bankruptcy.
What's more likely is that Pontiac as a brand folds, along with Buick and Saturn. The big-three American are looking hard at the big-three Japanese and realizing that having only two brands (standard and luxury), seems to be much easier to market. |
I say they toss GMC before Pontiac. GMC is a redundant division. |
GMC also does alot of fleet/heavy duty stuff that chevy doesn't. It's nothing for them to toss a GMC badge on a chevy truck to cater to the hardcore GMC fans.
Buick will probably leave before Pontiac. |
From the letter GM sent out to its dealers regarding their request for aid and what it means to the dealers (what brands are likely to be cut, etc.) the two brands on the chopping block immediately are Hummer and Saturn--both chronic underachievers. the goal would be to sell those brands as opposed to folding them (due to cost--it costs more to drop a brand than sell it). Saab is also a likely candidate to be sold off. Pontiac may become a "niche" brand. buick still has a pretty loyal customer base despite its "granny car" reputation. We'll see what shakes out.
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They have been having discussion about cutting Pontiac and GMC from the lines as well. I feel that GM is causing there own misery. They tease the general public with these really neat cars but then take FOREVER to turn them into a production run..... In the meantime ford keeps releasing new performance lines and keeping there product line interesting...... hell even Dodge is doing the same thing as ford (the challenger looks pretty sick). I just think GM has lost there public appeal and now that they have done that it is going to be hard for them to recover anyways.
Not that you will catch me in a mustang! LOL
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sadly IZ i'm going to have to agree with you on that just look how long the camaro's been in the works they just keep on delaying it . it was spose to come out i think with the challenger and nope another year or two
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| GREG DAVIDSON wrote: | | sadly IZ i'm going to have to agree with you on that just look how long the camaro's been in the works they just keep on delaying it . it was spose to come out i think with the challenger and nope another year or two |
They're coming out. I already have part numbers and option codes for bodykits, spoilers, wheels, short shifters, etc and one of the salesmen as already sold two pre-order Camaros. |
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GREG DAVIDSON
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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tey where spose to be out early 08 though no dice
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| GREG DAVIDSON wrote: | | tey where spose to be out early 08 though no dice |
nope, early to mid 09 as a '10 model... has been planned that way for a few years now.
You'll likely never see another Firebird, at least not on the same platform as the Camaro... Lutz has pretty much said no, and means no.
They've had their problems with dual branded cars that are the exact same for years, and with the current shizzle going on, anything they do to hinder their progress to becoming a better company is going to pretty much be in the trash.
As bad as it is to say, I hope GM goes bankrupt and gets the chance to restructure... if they get a bailout, they're still stuck with the absurd union and everything that has been dragging the current business model down into the shitter for the past 15 years.
Then again, one could also venture out and say "Gee, I hope Pontiac is sold off to a private party who is given access to the new platforms GM has been producing and starts putting out their own Firebirds with a new LS version of a BOP motor" ... will never happen, but hey, it's a thought |
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GREG DAVIDSON
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yea sad to say it's true ..... i'll still never buy a "new" can anywase i dont want a computer on wheels there is just not much out there i can see going into that much debt over being worth it ... i'll stick with my oldies well kinda oldies
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| GREG DAVIDSON wrote: | | yea sad to say it's true ..... i'll still never buy a "new" can anywase i dont want a computer on wheels there is just not much out there i can see going into that much debt over being worth it ... i'll stick with my oldies well kinda oldies |
eh, i used to say the same thing, but honestly, that truely does change when you drive or buy your first new car... sometimes you just need a new car, takes the stress out of dumping so much money into your older cars, and if you play your cards right, you never have to worry about the debt... I think buying a new car was the best thing I really did for myself when I did it, though it was a little Scion tC at the time, haha
granted, I love my SS and if I buy something used, it'll probably end up being just another project... the computer aspects of some cars are worth it... because honestly, how many other cars still get 27mpg and put down 410hp to the wheels?  |
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| iansane wrote: | | GREG DAVIDSON wrote: | | sadly IZ i'm going to have to agree with you on that just look how long the camaro's been in the works they just keep on delaying it . it was spose to come out i think with the challenger and nope another year or two |
They're coming out. I already have part numbers and option codes for bodykits, spoilers, wheels, short shifters, etc and one of the salesmen as already sold two pre-order Camaros. |
I know that they are already taking pre orders, and are listing part numbers for various parts for these cars but that doesn't mean that they have and will release it. GM has been known for going into production and then killing off their own baby before it even really takes off. Even cars that they have given to the public they have takin back from the public and got rid of them (not saying I think they are going to sell a camaro and then take it back) I am just saying that they may be very few since if you didn't pre order one of these cars they may stop production before you can just walk onto the lot and purchase one. Fact of the matter is that they are behind the 8-ball on this one and they are going to have a hard time coming out of it.
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