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More power solves everything; even world hunger.
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Twilightoptics
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: More power solves everything; even world hunger. Reply with quote

First broken axle on the left. Last night's carniage on the right.

Same side (drivers)

Wish I would have known they were so cheap before, but Moser makes axles for our 7.5" 10bolt for $240 for the pair.

Debating if I should throw gears in it at the same time.



And people who say the MT ET Radial's aren't sticky can kiss my butt. I've seen full slicks at drags not pick up rocks as much as these do!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upon closer inspection the pinion is shot too. Intact but I see cracks and one of the teeth at the crack has a 1/64 stairstep.

So...$400 for axles/gears (4:10s are 10pinion41ring, 3:73 are 11pinion41ring)

Have 3:73 now... so take a chance and the 4:10s weaker and break, or the 3:73 I have now broke because of the axle?

Guess maybe I should cut my losses, sell the good parts I have, and get the 12 bolt.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

then what will your weak link be? u-joints? driveline?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driveline and Ujoints are good. Trans is good to the power. Weak link will be lack of power if I got 12 bolt. Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks paul.

prolly worth the investment in the long run to get the 12 bolt now. Then your car only has to be down until you get that in, instead of potentially being down later if you went with steeper gears and new axles (I.e. Those might not hold up to the hardcore-ness of your HSR 355.)

I think you've successfully proved before Shultzy how crappy these stock rears are (although he has a 9 bolt, but I wouldn't imagine is THAT much stronger).

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start calling you the Ol' Axle Snapper.

Or, was your pinion preload too tight?

:scratches head and wanders off to educate the masses:
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point i'd go 12 bolt. Stepping up to 4.11's only makes the pinion gear smaller and easier to break.

As for the strength of the 9 bolt, well its no 12 bolt or 9inch.. but a few TTA guys manage to put down some excellent times with them. Of course auto makes a difference.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=152077

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1184289#post1184289

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141544

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136454

Those cars are all running stock 9bolt diffs. It appears that around 11.0 though you'll need a 12 bolt. As all but one of the people quicker then that are using 12's or 9" rears.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouchie.

So did that happen first time out or did you get some passes in?

-Schultzy
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two passes 13.3@106 and 13.2@106

Cost justification....
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul... were you at PIR last night? I THOUGHT I saw you there... but we were all wrapped around the IBEGONE twin turbo axle...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you looking to go aftermarket, check out quick perfomance there on ebay they make there own housing and sell moser. the g body guys love them, but they will sell a f body 9in ford housing with moser axles anyspline for 875 then all you have to do is come up with a thirdmember not to hard to do if you look around, and some rear disks off a explorer will bolt right on. this is the way im going, just a idea.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schultzy89GTA wrote:
Crying or Very sad


Yup yup
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ouch...........was that from axle snap-age?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks to me like it was on it's way to failure but the axle just barely edged it out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

inside a GM tenbolt there is a race to see what can break first. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bummer dude!

Quasi-Traction wrote:
............. how crappy these stock rears are (although he has a 9 bolt, but I wouldn't imagine is THAT much stronger).


9Bolts are stronger than Dana 44's

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

85 T/A WS6 wrote:
9Bolts are stronger than Dana 44's

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Are you sure? Why did did they swap a Dana 44 into the firehawks in 92 ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno man, I hear people claim that all the time on f-body forums, but I've never seen any testing on it.
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