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Danked Banned
Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 278 Location: Toppenish, Wa
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: torque converter question |
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would anyone mind telling me in simple english terms what a torque converter does, like, whats the difference between a stock and a 1800 stall? _________________ Towed amaro, 2nd engine blown spent $1500 not spending more. Decided not worth it. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Acts as a barrier between the engine flywheel, and the tranny. Basically it's a fluid-filled donut, with an impeller inside of it. Assuming it's a lockup converter: when the engine is running below lockup, the two halves are spinning freely, however the fluid buffer means that the engine never fully locks onto the tranny. This is how automatic cars don't stall when you idle in gear.
Once the engine RPM reaches a certain point (stall speed), the converter locks up so that the tranny is basically locked to the flywheel.
Stock converters lock up just above idle speed. Aftermarket ones vary, however the idea of running a high stall speed meant to cause lockup closer to peak torque. In a street app, it's a good idea to keep it under 2500-3K. I run one that locks just after 2K, and it works pretty well for hard street driving with my TPI.
Your V6 probably wont need anything more than stock, and the $500 can be much better spent.
Edit: Actually, you could just read this: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter.htm |
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Danked Banned
Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 278 Location: Toppenish, Wa
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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i did read that already but i dont understand, i want like an 1800 stall i found one for $150 _________________ Towed amaro, 2nd engine blown spent $1500 not spending more. Decided not worth it. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Meh. It's a bear. You gotta pull the tranny, dump the fluid, remove the converter, fill the new converter, refill the tranny, change the gasket, and then reinstall the tranny back in the car. All for a V6 car. |
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Danked Banned
Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 278 Location: Toppenish, Wa
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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yeah i know, had to do it on my dads 96 dodge intrepid 3.5 cause the clutches burned out in his tranny, mine needs to be rebuilt anyways, slips sometimes, i plan on a torque converter, and a transgo shift kit when hes rebuilding it _________________ Towed amaro, 2nd engine blown spent $1500 not spending more. Decided not worth it. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Good man. That's the time to do it.
What's the going rate for a full rebuild now anyway? Around $1200? |
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Danked Banned
Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 278 Location: Toppenish, Wa
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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idk but im putting that stuff in, new flex plate, and when wanrunhard returns my current engine when its pulled, im putting it on an engine stand in my shed and rebuilding it with the strongest stuff i can find, so when i blow this other motor ill have another to drop right in  _________________ Towed amaro, 2nd engine blown spent $1500 not spending more. Decided not worth it. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Uhhh.... not sure were you're going to find forged 3.1 parts. |
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Danked Banned
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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i only meant like high comp pistons, strong push rods, strong connecting rods, strong lifters, just simple but strong stuff _________________ Towed amaro, 2nd engine blown spent $1500 not spending more. Decided not worth it. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Why? A 3.1 should not be beaking parts unless you have a serious head/cam/intake. |
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Danked Banned
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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when i first bought my car, i pulled the dipstick, the watery oil hadn't been changed in 2 years (about 30k miles) i flushed it, then changed it, drained tranny fluid, about 2 quarts only drained out, and was blacker than the 30k old oil, i figure im prolly gonna do this with the new motor too so it'll hopefully last me another 11k miles, thats all i got out of this engine in 5 months, i want something thats hard to bust, so i dont have to keep maintaining it, and while im rebuilding my engine, ill learn how to do it, so if i ever need to do it again on another car im ready _________________ Towed amaro, 2nd engine blown spent $1500 not spending more. Decided not worth it. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Still, there's no reason to go over the top for a basically stock engine. And as for not maintaining it, good luck with that. Doesn't matter if you have Little M with an Eagle 4340 rotating assembly, or a frikkin Geo, you still have to maintain it.
Hell, about the only engine that could actually run without any maitinence at all was the Mopar slant-6. That thing would run with no water and about two quarts of dirty oil.  |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Danked wrote: | | i want something thats hard to bust, so i dont have to keep maintaining it, |
i don't want to be a dick but i see no other way.... are you completly demented? maintinence is what will keep an engine going. it is called "maintinence" because it is how you "maintain" an engine. if you do not do regular maintinence on an engine, even an all forged internals 350 will crumble under normal daily driving.
i have the same engine you do (almost) that is one of the better running engines i have ever owned because i throw maintinence at it. the oil is changed every 2-3k... all the tuneup parts are less then 2 years old, and checked about every 3K, the suspension is greased at least every 3k, the tires are rotated, the brakes are inspected, the only thing i have never touched is the transsmission, because i am almost posative it has never been opened before, and once they get to a certain point w/o a fluid change you realy should not tinker with them...
but i digress from my point... even a brand spanking new (remanufactured) engine would spin a bearing if you don't do your regular maintinence...
that being said i think rebuilding your engine in your shed is a great idea. that is how you learn. i hope to do the same thing with a fresh block somday. but think about this: your engine has what? 130K on it, and it is just now breaking. there is no need to go hog wild building a 3.1. just throw stock stuff in there and be done with it. they will last you another 200K if you keep up on your oil changes and regular maintinence. _________________ 86' firebird (Junked in 2015). 88' GTA (sold in 2020).
| aaron_sK wrote: | | Hell, Tony drove his GTA to Cows a few years back with the pickup coil that came out in pieces. |
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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| Xophertony wrote: | | i throw maintinence at it. |
I try not to throw things at my car. . I do like to do regulare maintenance on my car.  |
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Schultzy89GTA M.R.A. (11sec Club)

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 4417 Location: Gresham, OR
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| Dewey316 wrote: | | Xophertony wrote: | | i throw maintinence at it. |
I try not to throw things at my car. . I do like to do regulare maintenance on my car.  |
To each his own, myself I perform regular maintenance .
-Schultzy _________________ Red Sled: 89 GTA, 383, TKO, N2O
12.73 @ 109.39, 1.793 60 \ 11.794 @ 121.16, 1.62 60 (old combo) |
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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Schultzy89GTA wrote: | | To each his own. Myself, I perform regular maintenance. |
I guess none of us can get this whole english thing correct. |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| ha! yeah.... oh well. that is the first rule of posting on a message board. you can't spell everything correct. it's not right. |
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3873 Location: stumptown
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Xophertony wrote: |
..... the only thing i have never touched is the transsmission, because i am almost posative it has never been opened before, and once they get to a certain point w/o a fluid change you realy should not tinker with them...
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That's true with Automatics, but not as much with Manual transmissions. Especially ones that run on 80w gear oil. IIRC the 'reccomended' fluid change should happen about every 36-40k miles. It will vary a little bit between what the manufacturers reccomendations are. My Fairlanes called for it every 24K, but I'm sure its been neglected, and mine's an automatic anyways. As soon as my 01 Camaro hits 70K miles, Rear end and Transmission are going to be done. _________________
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks chris, i was unaware of that. i should get on that then... i have put 41K on that car since i got it... and i beat the shizzle out of that tranny, or atleast did in the past. should probably do my rearend again too. |
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