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chevymad
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preentry's are due the 17th. So time to get those in.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started working on the deck tonight. Oh boy. Was just going to rebuild the railing and replace a few deck boards. Then I get to stripping off the railing and find the pressure treated "ground contact" board I used as a support was totally rotten. Looked good on the outside but I could put my finger through it. This happened to be the board the railing was bolted to as well.. Amazing that the older non treated deck boards screwed on top of it aren't rotted away but the pressure treated one is. Great quality.

Anyway, I hope to have at least the front ready for cows. If not we'll be sitting in the yard. Only about a week away!
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or cascadecrew puts the beers down for a few hours and builds a deck!

Then more beer!
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naw, actually building the thing isnt the hard part, it's buying the treated lumber thats so difficult.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chevymad wrote:
Naw, actually building the thing isnt the hard part, it's buying the treated lumber thats so difficult.


This I can agree with. Building my porch was simple compared to forking over the hundreds of dollars for wood! I want to build a deck out back but I might spread that over a few weeks....maybe months... Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or crap some golden eggs, build it in composite and never touch it again LOL.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
Or crap some golden eggs, build it in composite and never touch it again LOL.


That would be awesome but think I'll wait til I have a house that would be worth more then the deck.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My address for the newbies.

194 E Valley Rd
Skamokawa, WA 98647
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lmao, Look what I found on the end of the board.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes Lifetime warranty on wood? There are literally creatures who's sole purpose in life is to eat it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can warranty anything as long as you put enough stipulations to ensure you never have to pay out. Laughing

B, was that board the rim joist? Did it split down the top? Usually a failure like that is a result from an open check or split or something that lets water pool inside the wood.

Composite decks will also fail over time. Either the structure will fail, or the decking will mold or fade to the point that people have it removed.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Board looked like new on the outside before I removed it. It was just a shell of the copper coat with nothing in the middle. But ya it was the edge joist. No splits.

Read the warranty and the only out I see is having a receipt that includes end cut solution. Not that that would have made a difference here in an uncut board. Not worth the hassle anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha yeah, they can ding you for all kinds of things on a warranty like that. No copper solution used, improper installation, improper fasteners. Depending on how it's written they can also deny it outright if you are not the owner of the property on which it was installed.

Even if they don't deny it they can make it too annoying to pursue. For instance they can demand to inspect the structure, or they can demand you ship the damaged lumber to them at your expense. All this so they will give you an $8.99 voucher for a new board. LMAO
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rjmcgee
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sticker out lasted the board!

Need to get some of our juniper timbers to you and see how they hold up. We have fences around here that are 100 years old with untreated juniper posts that are still solid.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a lot more Dry down south, and you don't get the same critters that don't always die out after a freeze.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juniper is similar to cedar though. And cedar will last a very long time, especially old growth. There's an ancient forest on the coast of old cedar stumps. Nobody realized how old they were, just had always been there. Then someone ran tests and found the trees were killed hundreds of years ago by the salt water left from a tsunami.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are actually quite a few woods that survive well.

I have used Ipe (Brazilian Ironwood) before. That stuff sinks in water and eats up saw blades, but you can bury it and it won't rot. Minimal expansion and contraction with temperature and humidity changes. It makes a fantastic deck... if you can afford it. Wink

Down in the Southeast they fish old cypress logs out of the river and run them through the mill to make flooring.

Cedar will last, but it's usually too soft to be structural.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's still some #1 untreated fir on the deck yet too. Stuff is 25 years old. But there they started with good wood, not this super young 1/4" growth ring stuff. The board that rotted only had 7 rings in a whole 2x6.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, fir can absolutely last. In this area you will sometimes come across fir shiplap siding on lower-end old houses. The oldest I have seen was 1895, and it was in good shape on all but the Southern exposure.

That PT you have probably isn't fir, though. It's almost certainly hemlock. Hemlock is good for stain grade as long as you're careful not to blow it out, and it's passable as utility, but it is weak, crappy to work with and the accelerated growth rates are doing it no favors.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I know the rotten board is hemlock. Just saying that good wood doesn't even need treatment. Even a fairly softwood like fir.
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