Cascade Crew

izcain · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject:

Thezac I think what Schultz is saying is that when you come out with comments about ASE master tech status and knowing it all then in the next post posting odd engine specs it is just kinda sticks out as a little odd. Im not doubting your ASE status im just sayin it came across weird. I know that things can come out wrong no big deal!

As a side note your not the only one with a ASE master cert, Chevrolet factory training, Subaru Factory training, Building race engines for many big names around the peninsula, holding a land speed record with an engine assembled with spare pieces and these guys teach me things all the time! Wink

Just saying that this is an awesome group with a lot to offer!

rjmcgee · The Hammer Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 2328

This is a pic 2.05/1.60 valves I took a few years ago. I guess in theory they would fit in the 305 bore, but I think you would want to be sure the valve guides were tight. Laughing

Thezach · New Member Joined: 09 Dec 2008 Posts: 19

the erroneous fault i made was stating 1.94 when i meant to state 1.60 and yes, i understand the implications of a simple math problem fitting 1.94+2.02 into 3.76. however that was simply not the case.

And i didn't mean the tech comment as derogatory, merely that i wasn't coming here for a walk through. more of a "to share something different" not ask for help type of deal.

Schultzy89GTA · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject:

No worries man. We are a good group. Things get lost in text on a web page.

Thanks for hanging in there Thumbs up

-Schultzy

Thezach · New Member Joined: 09 Dec 2008 Posts: 19

always down for a good argument... especially if big words are used.

Dewey316 · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

Jason_Culbertson · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:56 am Post subject:

Welcome, im glad to see more Bird's/T/A's. is building a 305 up really worth it? just asking cause i was ether gunna do that or just go out and get a rebuilt 350 for $800.

blue89 · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:02 am Post subject:

To make the same power with a 305 you'll have to spin it up a little higher than a 350. That's the only difference besides the valves being shrowded by the cylinder walls.

Thezach · New Member Joined: 09 Dec 2008 Posts: 19

that valve shrouding deal still has me concerned... by all logic i should have .09 clearance between the cylinder wall and a open valve... but... eh.

and i dont know if its worth it, i need a air intake a radiator fan before i can drive it lol

izcain · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:04 am Post subject:

Jason it all depends on what you define as worth it. For me I can remember one instance where I had a run in with a 427 equipped Chevelle against my 305. At the end of it he was just in disbelief and refused to believe that a 305 could have beatin his big bad rat. In all fairness the only reason he did not win is cause he had dinky 235's on the back and I had a set of 295 drag radiels. Simply put I hooked and he burned!
But the look on his face was still priceless to me.

My combo was simple and thought out. Stock crank and rods with arp fasteners, flat tops, world products 305 torquer heads with some mild port work, a street dominator dual plane, comp 270H, roller rockers, hooker shorties and a 750 double pumper. Car ran hard and hooked well. of course 4.10's and a deep 1st gear dig of the 700 let it move away from things quickly. It would take a pretty potent engine to run with the car just cause of the setup. I ran this combo for over 30k daily driven, raced, and cruised on the weekends (come to think of it, in some ways it was funner then the current stroker motor just cause I drove it every day!)

If you put some thought into a combo and spend the money in the right areas it will perform!

Jason_Culbertson · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:53 am Post subject:

thanks for the advice, so it will save me money to just keep the 305?

blue89 · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:16 am Post subject:

Anything you build for the 305 will work for a 350. So you really aren't out anything unless you buy pistons. Rod and crank are the same 305/350 correct? Any heads you buy will swap over.

izcain · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:52 am Post subject:

The heads will "fit" although I would not recommend this for reasons stated in this post as well as other. Using 305 specific heads is alright but they weeze out up top in rpms and tend to produce to much compression due to the small combustion chambers.

I would look at it as this....... Use your 305 as a learning engine. Experiment with different parts and such but l8ter I would get yourself a 350 or other and use that as your "real" buildup since you will probably want more power l8ter anyways

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izcain · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject:

Some of the 305 heads have some pretty small runners for serious power. Thats all i was getting at. Any set of heads that are stock are going to take some work to make good power. The price of machine work is something you may want to think about. If your spending X to get the heads done you could spend a little more and have aftermarkets

Twilightoptics · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject:

Depends on what you're going for. I made some decent power with my 350 on a set of 416 heads from an '85 TPI car, with 202/160 valves and a Comp XE 262 cam. Ran mid 13's on street tires.

izcain · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject:

Yea I know what your saying. The 416's were pretty good heads I was just talking stock for stock

How much did you have invested in the 416's?

Twilightoptics · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject:

$400 total assembled.