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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: how do i change out my U-joints? |
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like i said. I got new ones but am not sure the best way to start this project.
thanks,
~JAKE _________________ 1983 Z-28 5.7 LT1, T56, Headman headers, BW 9 Bolt Posi Disc, WS6 suspension
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Mangus Member
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 254 Location: @computer in garage (Bothell)
1989 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: Re: how do i change out my U-joints? |
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83Z28BlackBetty wrote: | like i said. I got new ones but am not sure the best way to start this project.
thanks,
~JAKE |
Unbolt the clips (2 per end) that hold the u-joints to the yoke and pinion and pull the u-joint 't', replace them with the new ones, and use new clips to re-attach them.
If you don't have one, a Chilton's or Hayne's manual will go a very long way. =) I have both (and the factory service manual, which are very expensive for our cars). |
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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: Re: how do i change out my U-joints? |
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Mangus wrote: |
Unbolt the clips (2 per end) that hold the u-joints to the yoke and pinion and pull the u-joint 't', replace them with the new ones, and use new clips to re-attach them.
If you don't have one, a Chilton's or Hayne's manual will go a very long way. =) I have both (and the factory service manual, which are very expensive for our cars). |
haha cool thanks. I was worried that i would have to drop out the rear end.
~JAKE |
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Mangus Member
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 254 Location: @computer in garage (Bothell)
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: Re: how do i change out my U-joints? |
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83Z28BlackBetty wrote: | Mangus wrote: |
Unbolt the clips (2 per end) that hold the u-joints to the yoke and pinion and pull the u-joint 't', replace them with the new ones, and use new clips to re-attach them.
If you don't have one, a Chilton's or Hayne's manual will go a very long way. =) I have both (and the factory service manual, which are very expensive for our cars). |
haha cool thanks. I was worried that i would have to drop out the rear end.
~JAKE |
Nope, it's pretty simple. It will probably take you 15 minutes (30 if you've never been underneath a car). |
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82camaro383 12sec Club
Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Posts: 117 Location: Pullman/Vancouver, WA
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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If you are still using the factory u-joint, you have to heat them with a torch to remove them from the driveline. I had to change mine a week ago. _________________ 85 Z28, 383 Stroker, TH350 tranny, Richmond 4.10 gears, dual exhaust
Fastest Time: 12.7sec @ 107mph |
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Sellmanb Member
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Tigard, OR
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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82camaro383 wrote: | If you are still using the factory u-joint, you have to heat them with a torch to remove them from the driveline. I had to change mine a week ago. |
there's little "plastic" dots on the driveline at the end holding the u-joints in. Heat up around that area lightly until it starts to ooze out of those dots. Then you can just pry up on the u-joints and replace.
Dont go hog wild w/ the heat, it will degrade the metal and make it more prone to becoming out of phase the more heat is applied. |
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Mangus Member
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 254 Location: @computer in garage (Bothell)
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Oops, yeah, as the others pointed out, there is a little bit of coersion involved. |
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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sellmanb wrote: | 82camaro383 wrote: | If you are still using the factory u-joint, you have to heat them with a torch to remove them from the driveline. I had to change mine a week ago. |
there's little "plastic" dots on the driveline at the end holding the u-joints in. Heat up around that area lightly until it starts to ooze out of those dots. Then you can just pry up on the u-joints and replace.
Dont go hog wild w/ the heat, it will degrade the metal and make it more prone to becoming out of phase the more heat is applied. |
torch? what am i melting in there? am i gonna have to replace whatever I'm melting?
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Mangus Member
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 254 Location: @computer in garage (Bothell)
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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83Z28BlackBetty wrote: |
torch? what am i melting in there? am i gonna have to replace whatever I'm melting?
~JAKE |
Grease. Yes, you need to replace the grease. The needle bearings need to be packed well w/ grease. Some u-joints come with zerk fittings, in which case you can grease it after installation. |
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izcain 9sec Club
Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 1306 Location: Port Angeles WA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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You'll want to put a scribe mark in one side of the pinion and drive line to give you a reference point since some drive lines were a balanced fit. It is a good habit to make even if the drive line is perfectly balanced occasionally you will come across some that aren't. _________________
1983 Z28 383 + 201ci more = New Heart for this season!
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Sellmanb Member
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Tigard, OR
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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83Z28BlackBetty wrote: | Sellmanb wrote: | 82camaro383 wrote: | If you are still using the factory u-joint, you have to heat them with a torch to remove them from the driveline. I had to change mine a week ago. |
there's little "plastic" dots on the driveline at the end holding the u-joints in. Heat up around that area lightly until it starts to ooze out of those dots. Then you can just pry up on the u-joints and replace.
Dont go hog wild w/ the heat, it will degrade the metal and make it more prone to becoming out of phase the more heat is applied. |
torch? what am i melting in there? am i gonna have to replace whatever I'm melting?
~JAKE |
What you're melting is (as I understand it) a sort of hard teflon. Once it's out, there's no injecting it back in, thus why new u-joints come w/ clips to hold them in place, that werent there before.
As for greasing the joints, that's always a good idea if you have a zerk fitting on the joint. If you dont have a zerk fitting on the joint, then dont worry about tapping one in, it's just not made to have one. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Take it to a driveline shop. Period.
It will need a balance. You can't get our style in there perfect to have it like factory. Sometimes you can get lucky.
If it was the clip style like the 60's 70's era then yeah you can do it yourself just fine.
Brandon has experiance with the lack of balance too!
Driveline shop I've been too is very reasonable. U-joints are a headache to do yourself anyway. |
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chevymad Master B
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 5474
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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GM didnt bother machining our yokes true. They used a jig that held the driveline straight then pushed the u-joint in centered. The plastic was then injected to hold the u-joint in that position. Sometimes when you put a replacement joint in you'll get offcenter, because the joint is now centered with the clips on the inside of the yoke. Mine is this way. Get over 85 and things get rough. Wasnt this way before changing the u-joints. I got a nice chromemoly shaft to put in to cure this.. too bad its 2" too long at hte moment. |
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Sellmanb Member
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Tigard, OR
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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For the cost of a driveline shop (and having to drive to the shop if there's none near you) you could get an aluminum LS1 driveshaft for roughly the same price (I'd seen them about a year ago going for ~85 dollars). May be a better way to go, less headache, more go-fast |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen
Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5304 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: Re: how do i change out my U-joints? |
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Mangus wrote: | *snip*(and the factory service manual, which are very expensive for our cars). |
wow, i was about to link to helm, where they are 35$. but they are 75$. price went up since i got mine. |
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Mangus Member
Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 254 Location: @computer in garage (Bothell)
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: Re: how do i change out my U-joints? |
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Xophertony wrote: | Mangus wrote: | *snip*(and the factory service manual, which are very expensive for our cars). |
wow, i was about to link to helm, where they are 35$. but they are 75$. price went up since i got mine. |
Find me one for an '89 for less than $90 and I'll be impressed. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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I went through 2 aluminum drivelines before I found one that wasn't bent. No driveline shop in the Vancouver/Portland area can UN-bend aluminum drivelines. You don't even want to know what it costs to have a new tube welded on around here. Might as well buy a carbon fiber.... or two.
So unless you're lucky, an aluminum is not necessarily the way to go. I never noticed a single bit of difference putting one on, plus it's bigger and in the way. When I go with the 9" I'm sure I'll shred this one, and be getting a steel driveline with larger joints in the back. |
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alloy T56 Elitist
Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 1716 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Twilightoptics wrote: | I never noticed a single bit of difference putting one on, plus it's bigger and in the way. |
My experience was totally different from yours. I got my aluminum shaft off a 90 GTA in a wrecking yard for $45. Put a new rear u-joint in it and I noticed the difference in the smoothness and less vibration by the time I got into second gear. I'd read somewhere the aluminum shafts were balanced to a higher standard than the steel ones were. There were definately more balance weights on the aluminum shaft than on my old steel one. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure about factory but I know some driveline shops down here balance at different rpms. I know one balances at 500rpm while another is over 3000rpm. Figure 4th gear is 1:1 so your driveline is turning at the rpm you're running. |
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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Got em changed out yesterday, much more of a pain than I thought. I ended up beating the sh*t out them to get em out! turns out that wasn't the knocking I've been hearing all along oh well, at least I know I have good U-joints now.
BTW, one of em is a bit squeaky... is it cuz i zerked in too much grease? or not enough? I hope I'm not killing my new u-joint.
~JAKE _________________ 1983 Z-28 5.7 LT1, T56, Headman headers, BW 9 Bolt Posi Disc, WS6 suspension
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