Cascade Crew

jakemk8706 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: iv been thinking...

i feel guilty. i must admit all winter i wanted to sell my car. i fell out of love. and i wanted to get something completely different. (STi).but about a month ago i had a lil experience on the freeway that made me realize that i do love my camaro. and he loves me back. (personification, i call it a "he". heterosexual love does exist.) umm lets just say i was getting on the on ramp onto 205 in the middle of rush hour and the mustang in front of me thought it was fast. so i got on it a lil.i forgot that camaros dont brake as fast as mustangs. so locked em up sideways thru two lanes of traffic straightened him out and kept goin like nothin happed. at which point i dirtied my undies in the back and in the front. then i made love to the car.

ok sorry bout that. that was all a lead in to what iv really been thinking about.which is i want more power.especially at the top end. soooo iv been looking at manifolds. iv seen some of your guy's and what not. but what i havent seen any of is the accel super ram. it says it still keeps most of the bottom end and picks up where the stock leaves off. but its freaking expensive.

my question is what is a good setup as far as that goes. umm not so much bang for you buck but, more just down right performance and power gains.?

iansane · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject:

Save your money and go LSx. Very Happy

jakemk8706 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject:

ya...ill pass on that. even tho its superior and all.

iansane · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject:

That response boggles my mind.

aaron_sK · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject:

Cost of that swap will kill you Ian. $4500 for a used LS1/T56 plus another grand for custom headers, new motor mounts, new fuel pump, plus other costs related to the T56 swap.

And what's all this about Mustang outstopping Camaro? Damn, four wheel disks never gave me any problems. Hell, stopped solid even when one of the rears was leaking.

If you want freeway power, why not just swap in a StealthRam and maybe a cam like Ian has on the bird.

Sellmanb · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Tigard, OR

Buy a used intake set (stealth ram as stated above would be a great choice)... but if you are having problems w/ safely braking with a STOCK motor, then perhaps that should bump up to the top of your "go-fast mods" Smile

jakemk8706 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject:

iono that mustang seemed to stop alot better than me. i locked he didnt...maybe tires or something. but i locked hard. as far as the lsx option...i dont know. to me it sounds like if i started a project like that i would never finish it and let some good stuff go to waste. im looking more along the lines of bolt on

Sellmanb · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Tigard, OR

jake, I just looked at your profile, forgive my ignorance, but is the hypertech airfoil, sort of like the throttle body "tornado" 's that they sell at schmucks?

It looks like you have just about all the free-mods already, so if you need more power from that, you should be trying out a cam, which inevitably will mean chip work. A new intake would do you wonders too, TPI is not a performance intake.

After a cam and intake your heads will be about the only thing holding you back... aftermarket can be fairly expensive, unless you can find them used.

Either which way, you're looking at no easy bolt-in parts to magically go fast.... still think you should put some LS1 brakes on the front, they are much cheaper than buying a new car after you total yours from not being able to brake in an orderly fashion Wink

aaron_sK · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject:

Sellman, an airfoil is a crappy little piece of metal that just fills the hole inbetween the dual intakes on a TPI-style throttle body. It's not one of those stupid tornado scams.

*edit: BTW if you're locking your brakes solid, you need to learn to power brake. Best way to learn that is to borrow an old beater from a buddy or something, find a nice stretch of road, and learn to brake without locking the wheels.

Sellmanb · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Tigard, OR

ah, thanks for clearing that up, has been a while since i've been "in the game" Laughing

jakemk8706 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject:

ya no. the airfoil is this little aluminum peice that is fitted onto your the tpi's throttle body. it smoothes out the incoming air for a more dense airflow. something along those lines. and heads. last year at the swap meet i found a pair of heads from 1967. i bought them cause they seemed in decent condition and they were 25 for the pair. i get home and google the vin. turns out they have 2.02 intake and i dont remember the other number. so i have a pair of good heads in my possesion. but i dont know if these heads will work on my motor because i currently have centerbolt style heads. i dont know if these heads will fit the block. i know they will not fit the manifolds.

aaron_sK · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject:

All good man. I did a little seat-of-the-pants testing with it when I had my IROC running and it doesn't seem to do much, although I leave mine in since it cost me nothing. Wink

Schultzy89GTA · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject:

hehehe and the sickness begins! You need to think about what you want to do. This is where hanging out and bench racing with people who have done lots of different mods to these cars (us!) comes in handy.

If you want just a little more power, power every once in a while or really transform it into a screaming machine. Each of these takes varying levels of skill and cash.

Ian's answer on the LS series engine would be a great option if you are wanting to really transform the car. The prices on these engines have come down considerably and swap parts are pretty easy to come by now. If you were going to do a balls out gen 1 stroker, all forged rotating assembly, etc - I would be looking at the LS swap as an alternative. That platform is quite impressive.

So what are you thinking young Jedi?

-Schultzy

aaron_sK · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:

Gotta love bench racing. Laughing

Boils down to three questions though: How much money are you willing to burn on this project, how much time are you willing to spend, and what are your end goals for the car?

Figure that out, and you've got a good start.

jakemk8706 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject:

hahaha. well tell you one thing im going to the track fairly soon. gotta test out the new rubber. but nothing against the ls option. (i know that that is an outstanding motor, i mean look at the ls7. 505 hp and still can get 25 mpg) but i dont know if thats the road i wanna travel. i was thinking along the lines of a new manifold and plenum. dont know what setup yet. a bigger throttle body some roller rockers, lightweight alum underdrive pulleys. cold air intake of some creation...but that just from the top of my head. iv never done any of this befor, but to me this sounds like it may just open this motor up.

aaron_sK · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject:

Is this your daily driver?

jakemk8706 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject:

this is my daily...

Sellmanb · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Tigard, OR

Like Schultzy is saying, once you figure out what you want to do with the car we can really help...

What is your HP goal, or 1/4 miles goal? Does it need to be that HP or track time, all the time? Or can you be ok w/ having nitrous to get it to that time/hp when you want? Do you still want it streetable? Do you mind it being at 3k RPM at 70MPH? Or do you want it to be bearable noise-level on freeway driving? What is your budget? Is this your main source of transportation, so things that need done to it can only take the weekend cuz you'll need it on monday?

These are a few common things that can determine whether you have a stroked, completely forged internal motor, or a stock bottom end. A high, or low gear ratio. A "race" converter, or a stock converter, etc, etc...

aaron_sK · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject:

jakemk8706 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject:

not to much worried about that. because i live less than a mile away from my work. its cool i start at six and dont wake up till 5:45. (i work in a paint factory)

but im not sweatin 1/4 times. i think i know what i want but its hard to translate my thoughts into words without sounding retarded.

lemme try.

i want more power obviously. i wanna stick with the motor setup i have. somewhere down the road i want a t-56. who doesnt want that.. my budget is probly under 3500. nitrous...probly not.