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Vapor Canister Removal

 
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turbo_jimi
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Vapor Canister Removal Reply with quote

I'd like to do this as part of my emmisions removal project. Step by step intructions would be greatly appreciated.

TJ

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Twilightoptics
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unplug it all, and plug any holes!

Only thing I never understood, was what to do with the vapor line coming from the fuel tank?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might try to simply cut it off and plug it as close to the tank as possible...lol I've been plugging and capping alot of holes lately on that car...lol Thanks for the info.

TJ

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cant plug the line to the tank. Tank has to be vented or you'll suck a vacuum and stall the car. I left mine open but kept smelling fumes.. so i connected it to my bowl vent on my carb.. For you efi guys thats basically just venting it into the air filter housing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'll go with plan B and vent it into the carb somehow...lol.

TJ

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, vent it to the intake tube somewhere?

If the cansiter vapor line is for "venting," what's the 4th line from the tank for, that has some sort of check valve that's right next to the tank itself?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea. Maybe it is a vent and the canister only vents high pressure vapor. Which means you still have to vent it somewhere or on hot days your tank will swell up like a balloon.

Yes, just vent into the intake tract somewhere. Not where theres much vacuum though just filtered to atmosphere basically.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That should be easy when I get the cold air and filter over to that side.
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iansane
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How could you hook it to a aftermarket intake tubing and not get a lot of vacuum...? I'd like to ditch the canister as well...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
what's the 4th line from the tank for, that has some sort of check valve that's right next to the tank itself?


Lets think about this.

1) Fuel feed
2) Fuel Return
3) Line to evap canister
4) to keep vacume out, would have to be some sort of vent tube, that allows air into the gas tank.
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Twilightoptics
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe just remove the check valve then, and make it a both way tank?

Do we NEED pressured tanks? Vacuum really doesn't happen until it hits the throttle body and plenum, after the throttle blades. It's all ambient air before the blades, afterward is where the engine is sucking. Think of the blades as a straw, that you're sucking through.

Sure there is some pull on the air before in an intact tract.... don't know that it's enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dewey316/Twilightoptics wrote:
what's the 4th line from the tank for, that has some sort of check valve that's right next to the tank itself?
4) to keep vacume out, would have to be some sort of vent tube, that allows air into the gas tank.


correct!

i have had the vent line plugged unter the hood for a while now (on the six)... i notice on veeerrry hot days when i open the gas cap i get some hissing... no other troubles..

IF you remove the check valve and allow two way venting that close to the tank you could concievably dump raw fuel out of it under heavy braking. i would not remove that check valve. the best system aside from venting to intake/carb would be to put a small airfilter on the end of the vent line under the hood.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get hissing with that vent tube still hooked up.
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