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izcain
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
QwkTrip wrote:

Next step is to power up the underhood fuse box, which frankly is about 50% of the wiring in the car and is 100% my creation.... so, ya I'm a bit nervous. Laughing


Spoken like a true engineer. Flip the damn switch and look for smoke like a true technician! Laughing


lol

I think I am going to have to go back and read the thread thru so I can acually get caught up lol

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
QwkTrip wrote:

Next step is to power up the underhood fuse box, which frankly is about 50% of the wiring in the car and is 100% my creation.... so, ya I'm a bit nervous. Laughing


Spoken like a true engineer. Flip the damn switch and look for smoke like a true technician! Laughing


Wait, a real engineer would have done the entire fuse box layout in autocad and ran it through several simulations to verify. Before building anything, you should have plenty of confidence in the outcome. Wink :p
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tires showed up and one had a big huge tack driven through it. I don't remember selecting the "flat tire" factory option.

Discount Tire took care of it immediately and is sending out a new tire without even getting the old one back.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one plug and a spare is there lol
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discount Tire has always done well by me. I bought my current tires from them.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody know how to remove the manual trans gear pattern inlay in the center console? I know the housing for the light bulb needs to come out but I'll be darned if I can figure it out (without breaking anything).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I figured it out. It was glued on, and mighty well I might add. Finally got it popped off and put in a 6 speed shift pattern inlay. Thumbs up
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hooked up power to underhood fuse center and nothing popped, smoked, or burned. That's promising!

Next step is to get a solid power source for the engine ECM and wake it up for the first time.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always exciting to wake something up for the first time!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got the ECM powered and updated the firmware. Had readings from sensors until I plugged in the O2 sensor and now nothing is giving me a reading.

Totally at a loss of cause right now.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reloaded all the software and firmware and now it is working.

Gentlemen.... I could start the engine today if I really wanted to. Shocked
I'm going to hold myself back and finish making proper battery cables.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh darn it! Just when I was feeling good about progress....

So I cranked the engine today and I don't get a speed signal. Looked closer at the engine and I think that I have 58x speed sensors, not the 24x that I told the engine builder to use. If that really is the case, then the engine harness has to come out to be reworked. And it probably ruined the sensors too. Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QwkTrip wrote:
Gosh darn it! Just when I was feeling good about progress....

So I cranked the engine today and I don't get a speed signal. Looked closer at the engine and I think that I have 58x speed sensors, not the 24x that I told the engine builder to use. If that really is the case, then the engine harness has to come out to be reworked. And it probably ruined the sensors too. Mad


So, what the hell does this mean? Didn't think GM changed anything.... lol

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

58x cam sensors are fancy new stuff for the late-model gen 4.

Jon, what color is the crank sensor? Do you have the cam sensor up on the rear where the distributor would have been on an old Chevy?

FWIW they are theoretically a better design, so if you're forced to change it will at least be an upgrade. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you could always use a converter box if that is the case but there is mixed reviews on them.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've also heard the claims of them crapping out randomly, and having owned a Ford with a TFI module I can tell you that it's not the greatest place to save a buck. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in business! Smile Apparently I had a 4x cam sensor in a 24x system. It is normally a 1x cam sensor, or something like that. All I know is I swapped the cam sensor outer wires (tan and red) and I got engine speed.

I have a temporary power distribution set up that is kind of dangerous, but I could literally start this engine if I put fuel in the tank. I can hear the trans jumping around on the crossmember because it can't be bolted in yet, but I'm just kind of curious what that bad little boy sounds like. I wonder if I could just zip tie the hell out of the trans tail for first start up. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news on the sensor.

If your setup isn't any more dangerous than my hokey-ass jumper cable test rig then you're fine and you should fire it up!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, I'm worse than that right now. I've got live battery connections wrapped in towels on the front bumper tray, and cables hanging loose in front of engine.

I've done a fair share of cranks the last two days, only a few seconds at a time. I pulled the valve cover and the head is bone dry. I'm thinking I need to do the pressurized oil fill procedure. That requires some disassembly of the FEAD to get to the oil port. And I need to borrow the filling device from a co-worker.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several cranking sessions of a few seconds each won't be enough to prime the oil system to the heads. If the engine has assembly lube on the bearing surfaces, just go to town. You need a solid 30-90 seconds of full-speed cranking to get the oil system flowing. Zip tie the trans crossmember down. Start it and idle it after it is primed.

That's what I'd do, but I'm just some guy out in the woods who hasn't broken anything yet. Razz Taking apart the FEAD and using the special tool is altogether too complicated for me.

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